Electric Utilities can Tell your EV when to Charge

https://www.utilitydive.com/spons/w...3-steps-for-utilities-to-improve-char/707476/

There is a lot of research going into Electric Utility strategies to satisfy demand loading for EVs. On the surface, it would seem that Utilities are going to need a lot more capacity to supply EV power. Not so much.

Many Utilities already have a different rate structure for peak demand hours, typically 3-7pm on hot summer days, versus low usage hours (midnight to 5 am). A Massachusetts utility charges double during peak hours. Under that scenario, EV owners would plug-in only during off-peak hours to avoid the higher costs. This would help Utilities manage their peak load, with little or no additional infrastructure. One can think of EVs as manageable storage devices for Utility companies to store excess power during non-peak hours or during hours where renewables are producing heavily. Some utilities are also discussing a reverse mechanism, wher an EV can send power to the grid.

Utilities are also concerned that peak hours could change as EVs become more prevalent. For example, If a lot of charging is done after midnight then midnight could become the new peak.

Utilities may be offering programs through a phone app, where they decide when an EV will charge, and offer large pricing discounts to customers who enroll. If a customer needs an immediate charge, he/she would have the ability to override the utility control through the phone app, but the billing rate would be higher.

The upside - EV users will get electricity at a considerably reduced rate, giving them another price advantage over Internal Combustion Engine (ICE) cars, and speeding up the worlddwide transition to EVs.

 

One of the very last things I want is someone telling me when I can use my own vehicle.

 

"Price advantage"

** initial purchase price for EVs is more expensive than their ICE counterparts, even with bullshit subsidies.

** EVs have the additional cost of setting up a "level 2 charging system" at home. I imagine that would affect insurance rates as well.

** insurance rates for EVs are higher than their ICE counterparts.

** maintenance/repair expenses are higher for EVs than their ICE counterparts (e.g. only specialized dealers can work on them)

** The lifespan of an EV is shorter than its ICE counterpart. (this is, in part, due to battery lifespan and the incredibly high cost to replace an EV battery)

** EVs have MUUUUUCH less range than their ICE counterparts and take MUUUUUCH longer to refuel.

But yup, EVs are TOTALLY TUBULAR DUUUUUDE!!!!!

 

They already want to tell you when you can heat or cool your own home (smart thermostats)

 

Nice try. More misinformation.

 

From your post:
Utilities may be offering programs through a phone app, where they decide when an EV will charge, and offer large pricing discounts to customers who enroll. If a customer needs an immediate charge, he/she would have the ability to override the utility control through the phone app, but the billing rate would be higher.

 

Yep. After declaring a “liberation battle” earlier this year, BYD is launching an aggressive campaign aimed at taking market share from ICE vehicles.

BYD kicked off the campaign last month with the new Qin Plus EV, which starts at around $15,000 (109,800 yuan). The company claimed its new EV opened a “new era of electricity is lower than oil.”
https://electrek.co/2024/03/13/byd-unveils-new-e2-ev-starting-13k-undercut-ice-cars/

Not any more. ICE's are sitting on lots, with few interested buyers.

You "imagine". Got it.

The difference can be made up after 3 or 4 gas fill-ups of an ICE vehicle. Plus this will change soon, as misconceptions are laid to rest.

Bass ackwards. EVs - no transmission, no fuel injection, no exhaust system, no pistons, cylinders, spark plugs, etc. etc According to Car-and-Driver magazine, EVs 35% cheaper to maintain.

Not any more.

Not important for 99.9% of trips. I personally want the minimum mileage range, so I'm not hauling all those batteries around.

If you have to continue to paste Emojis on your posts, your arguments must be weak, as I've just proven.

 

And that means that "the utility is telling you when you can use your vehicle". That's what you said earlier. Misinformation.

 

Sorry, but that's exactly what it means. Charging dictates use.

 

Yeah, those smart thermostats. Evil devices

 

Totally false:
1. EVs don't have to be charged with every use. Sometimes they can be charged after 5 to 10 uses.
2. Starting a manual charge, outside the Utilities recommendation will still be an option.
3. The devil is in the details. The Utility may continue to have designated times that always have lower rates.

 

Sure, go ahead and recommend use without charging. Let's make range anxiety even worse.

 

Spoken like a true novice who knows nothing about EVs

 

They won't. They'll just charge you more to charge during peak. As usual, you will always to be able to do whatever you want as long as you have enough money... Carbon reduction is a burden to be hefted upon the poor, not the rich.

 

Less expensive cars, less maintenance costs, cheaper fuel costs, better air quality in underprivileged areas - yeah, sounds like a a real loser for the poor

 

Get back to me when you can get a used EV (that still has decent battery life) for a few thousand dollars or less. Til then, the poor will still be looking to drive used ICE cars, and the only thing making those more expensive is gas prices.

 

Definitely a good point - since EVs are relatively new, there arent as many used cars. This will change quickly however, as more EVs are sold and/or traded-in. Some of the new 5-minute battery replacement technology will help also, as somebody could buy a used EV, get a battery replacement with little labor cost, and drive away with a new car.

 

This is why EV's have stalled. I was also impressed by confirmation that most EV buyers get them to complement, not replace, their ICE vehicles.

There's also strong evidence that shows most of the individuals who buy electric cars also own an internal combustion engine-powered vehicle," says the Harvard Law School report. "They are not switching to electric vehicles from their gas-powered vehicles. Most electric vehicles are bought as "complements," not as replacements, according to economists. They're merely increasing the overall quantity of automobiles they have on hand."

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And if you live in a neighborhood with 250 EV, will the localized neighborhoo grid be able to handle that much charging without tripping the fuses on pole transformers?

 

The devices in and of themselves aren't evil, but they WILL be used for the evil purpose that I have mentioned.

 

Believe as you will, but you are wrong about all of it. Your leftist sources are lying to you.

 

See any trend?

https://www.iea.org/data-and-statistics/charts/electric-car-sales-2016-2023
Key - pink is China, blue is Europe, light green is US, and light blue is Other

US sales haven't gone up like other countries. I believe the reason is that most EVs are sedans, and US consumers have moved away from sedans. Other offerings like Hatchbacks, small SUVs, and small pickups will skyrocket US sales.

 

This was addressed in the note you replied to. Did you read it?

 

Yes I read it and not it wasn't addressed specifically. It was just a lot of generic references to balancing and off-peak times and back-up storage. Let me help you and you can pretend to ignore the issue again: The average residential distribution line cares about 13000 volts. That is at most 54 240 volt outlets charging 3-6 hours at a time. So, how are you going to charge everybody every day in the 10 off-peak hours at night when you don't even know when they will be plugging in while continuing to maintain electricity for other household usage?

 

I'm not trying to be disrespectful here, but my background is electrical engineering. A residential distribution line has a voltage associated with it, but the lines are rated by power needs (Kilowatts), and the lines are sized by required current (Amps) to meet the power. One does not add up voltage to provide power to residences. All this said, the city of Austin, TX did a comprehensive power study - if every car in Austin was converted to an EV, and everybody charged at night, they determined they would NOT need to make any infrastructure changes. Now this is probably a rare case, and power infrastructure will often require upgrades. Most astute power companies are already working on specific solutions to their specific situation.