Elizabeth Warren's DNA test says there was a Native American ancestor 6 -10 generations ago....

No, she did not prove anything other than the fact that she lied about being a minority. The test is completely inconclusive as to whether she is Native Indian at all. Not even the 1/1024 can be proved.

But we do have her lies in print, in video and on tape. Those facts, we actually have.

 

Fortunately fallen trumpsters like yourself are rare

 

Warren claims to be Cherokee

Thats a lie

 

Stormy now has to pay Trump,
Cherokee Nation slams Senator Warren,
60 Minutes tanks
- - Now that's a great week!!

 

No, she really did not prove any kind of Amerindian heritage whatsoever, she only proved that she has very typical European genes. I have already pointed this out a trillion times in here - DNA tests do not really test heritage and blood; they only show where your "genetic strata" clusters and since man has evolved from the same ancestor, there is a lot of overlapping. In other words, every single European and his sister will score some promille of Amerindian.

I live outside of US and have no family ties whatsoever to the US, but my brother still socred about as much Native American as Warren did on his test.

Warren has actually only proven that she is an average Euromerican. She faked her university application and has insulted the entire Cherokee community.

 

That has nothing whatsoever to do with what I was saying. Nice deflection. Worthy of a talk radio host. There are white Indians and black Indians too. Go to Oklahoma if you ever visit the US.

Yes it is at a ceremony honoring Native American veterans. It's behavior better suited to a drunken bore at a 1970s sales convention rather than a US President in 2018.

Oh so you missed the "rapists and murderers" speech then?

 

This is incorrect. Amerindians belong to the Mongoloid race and can thus neither be White nor Black. I do not like to get into racial typology or other such classifications because physical anthropology really is not of my primary interest. However, I do know enough about it to know that what you said is factually incorrect.

He did not mock the Native war veterans. If anything, Lizzie is the one mocking them with her game of "racial appropriation".

Oh, so you missed the "Some of them are good people"-part then?

 

Honestly, nobody comes to mind. Are there any "Blue Dog" Democrats left? Are any of them even remotely "Conservative"?

Understand, Te, I don't CARE about any of this "social-conservative" crap. I don't want Roe v. Wade overturned. I don't expect the President of the United States to go to church, sing hymns, etc.

But, I don't want half the population of the country sucking on a variety of welfare straws, either. I'm a FISCAL Conservative (which is why I'm bitching about the U. S. Tax Code all the time). I make no distinction between "Socialism-lite" and vomit. And, during the Obama regime, the Democrat Party became well-understood by many of us on the Right to be the party of Socialism-lite, and, welfare.

 

It is factually correct. People can be mixed race and present different outward appearance based on gene expression. Tribes usually require a Certificate Degree of Indian Blood. A person can have a Native grandfather, black grandmother and two black (looking) parents and still easily qualify for of CDIB. Same with mixed white and Indian heritage. In fact with each generation there are fewer and fewer full-blood Indians because people intermix. You can even have two brothers where one looks white and the other looks full blood. I know I've seen it. Are you saying that one is Indian because he looks Indian and the other isn't because he doesn't?

If you can't see why that was thunderously inappropriate in that context then I can't show you.

Yes because it implied their number were minuscule compared to the rest. It was a classic "get out" clause in an otherwise completely transparent racial dog whistle.

 

You don't say. Your initial statement was that "Some Native Americans are White and others are Black", which is completely false. Now, you change it to "some people are biracial" which is not very honest. Nonetheless, Warren is not biracial - She is White.

And IF Warren has any Native in her at all, it is so many generations back that her blood barely contains any of it anymore.

No, that is not at all what I am saying. However, I am sayng that "Amerindian" is a racial group of its own (sometimes categorised the same as "Mongoloid"), which means there is no such thing as a "White Amerindian" much like there can be no "White Blacks". Sure, people can be bi- and even triracial, but that really is not the same thing.

Because there is nothing wrong with it.

Is it true that there is a lot of drugs. guns and crime flooding in from the border between Mexico and US? Yes, it is. Is it true that some of the illegal immigrants in America are criminals? Yes, it is. Is it true that some of them are just normal people, looking for a better life? Yes, it is. All Trump stated in that speech was exactly this and if stating truth makes one a racist, then I really have not got much hope left for humanity.

It is foolish not to admit Trump was right and claiming it was just some sort of racist conspiracy actually only serves to ruin the lives of the decent immigrants - It is their neighbourhoods that are made unsafe and it is their daughters risking rape and their sons risking assault.

 

Please don't lie. My initial statement in this context was: "There are plenty of white people who are legitimate citizens of tribal nations."

And there are and black (looking) people too. I know the latter because I am one.

I wasn't talking about Warren I was talking about how I expected Trump would respond to a bona fide white (or even black) tribal citizen just because they don't comport to his (or apparently your) notion of what a Native American is supposed to look like.

Tribal citizenship is determined by each individual tribe. Since the Cherokee don't have a minimum blood degree requirement, even Warren could have qualified if she was a direct descendant of someone listed on the Dawes rolls. Turns out, in her case, she wasn't.

 

That's a lie. The actual citation from your posts (#989) is "There are white Indians and black Indians too. Go to Oklahoma if you ever visit the US."

What do you mean "Black looking"? Amerindians are not of the Negroid race. Yes, some Amerindians have lighter skin whereas others have darker skin. This does not mean that some Amerindians are Black.

Handing out certificates to prove belonging is just a ridiculous aspect of Statism. A form of identification that does not really exist in the Amerindian culture. Most Native Americans know which tribe they belong to, not because of some silly government card, but because of family unity, traditions, stories about kinship and ritual ceremonies. Navajos, Cherokees, Powhatans etc, all have their very own myths, stories and cosmologies.

 

Nope my initial response to you was in post #961

You had said:

And I responded:

Those were my exact words.

I mean someone who might have mixed black and Native parenting who comes out looking more black than Native. They could have a sibling who's the complete opposite but they both are entitled to the same CDIB.

Because you know how tribes should be handling their business better than they do? Got it!

Oh but it does and it is decided by each tribe on an individual basis.

And many understand all of the above regardless of skin color and outward appearance.

 

I still do not see how this has anything to do with the topic. In this thread we are discussing Warren's DNA-test.

Not what I said. I said the tribes know how to handle their belonging better than the government does. The idea of "identity cards" is obviously one that is foreign to Amerindian sociology.

Of course. Just as most udnerstand that Warren is not a Native American.

 

Because, in context, it is my belief that trump would make fun of any white looking person who legitimately belongs to a Native tribe. Because to him it's all about superficiality and transactionalism. That was my point. Even if Warren could establish blood degree he would still mock her because she LOOKS white. He had no clue about her actual tribal lineage when he first started making her a laughing stock and that's an insult to all Natives that don't look stereotypically Indian. Starting to get it now?

It's not foreign to tribal governments who use them as a factor in determining citizenship.

In her case, she could have had a claim. Trump didn't know that but he mouthed off anyway showing his complete lack of knowledge of the subject.

 

Maybe he would. Maybe he wouldn't.

I think it is more insulting towards Natives that Warren claims she is one of them than it is for Trump to laugh at Warren for making such a racist claim. But, that's just me.

It is obviously the result of cultural exchange. Such institutions did not exist prior to the European settlers/colonialists arrived.

"Could have had", broooooo... You do know that we now know what she actually has. The Woman is a liar who appropriates Native American identity to get rewarded by affirmative action legislation. There is no need or room for speculation here.

 

Trump owes "her" zero. He promised to pay $1M

1. To charity

2. If she won the nomination

3. And took a test

4. Proving she is an Indian as she has claimed, not this "maybe 1/1250" or what ever the fractional nonsense pretends to show.

 

Warren be like: - "Pocahontas was a Native. Pocahontas spoke Swedish. Swedish-speakers are White. I am White. I am Native American."

Proof:

 

No, there is nothing racist about the Pocahontas name tag he uses. Silly, but not racist.