English 101 for gun advocates.

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  1. Turtledude

    Turtledude Well-Known Member Donor

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    the lower courts were slaves to incorrect interpretations of Miller-the first wave was Klan dominated racist judges who damn well knew that the second amendment banned federal interference

    most of those laws are protected by the fact that conservatives respect even bad precedent. Hopefully those laws will get "Dobbs'd"
     
  2. Toggle Almendro

    Toggle Almendro Well-Known Member

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    No. That is not what the Founding Fathers intended. Both halves of the Second Amendment are independent from each other.

    The first half of the Second Amendment protects the right of militiamen to organize and train.

    The second half of the Second Amendment protects the right of the people to keep and bear arms.


    We want no such thing. We want the Constitution to be directly enforced.


    The major impact of enforcing the Second Amendment will be to strike down state and local laws in far-left jurisdictions.
     
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  3. Reality

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    What you mean to say is that you didn't pay attention during grammar school.
     
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  4. Reality

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    @Turtledude I don't think he's been watching the SCOTUS case pipeline very closely.
     
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    Or you're just bluffing.
     
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    That might make sense if the two clauses were joined by the conjunction "and", but they are not. Go back and read the OP. There seems to be a causal relationship between the two clauses: because of this, this is so. So the question is: If the cause no longer exists does the effect still exist?

    Wishful thinking.
     
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  7. Turtledude

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    well the second was used to strike down the ban in Chicago in McDonald. wish granted.

    you do know that there is not a single shred of evidence from the relevant time period that even hints that the founders thought that the federal government had any power to interfere with whatever arms private citizens wanted to own
     
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    Reality Well-Known Member

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    Or you can go read heller and read its explanation which cites numerous grammar primers from the era and learn something.
     
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    Toggle Almendro Well-Known Member

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    Irrelevant. It is not required to conform to grammar rules.

    It is only required to conform to the clearly-expressed intention of the people who wrote it.


    I already debunked the OP. If there is any confusion, go back and read my post where I debunked it.


    That is incorrect. There does not seem to be anything of the sort.


    That is incorrect. It is a fact that courts are already striking down some state and local laws.

    The leftist judges who are still refusing to uphold the law will eventually be overruled by the Supreme Court.

    The legal challenge to the Maryland ban on harmless-but-scary-looking weapons is applying for cert to the Supreme Court as we speak. If they grant review, they will hear that case next year.

    New Jersey's ban on hollow point ammo will be struck down one day too.
     
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  10. Galileo

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    This makes no sense. How can it conform to the clearly-expressed intention of its authors if its grammar does not? Were members of the First Congress incompetent communicators? I don't think you've debunked anything....


    So some activist judges have supported your position....
     
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    the activist judges that started this whole mess were the minions of FDR. until they allowed that bullshit to stand, no one suggested the federal government had any gun control powers
     
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