Europeans Are World’s Biggest Smokers and Drinkers

The interesting article. In my view the key phrase is >

Imagine that you have started to use heroin and gabriel1 have chosen an alcohol.
Let’s exclude the possibility that you got overdose or hepatitis and gabriel1 got dead drunk and then choked by his own vomits. well, I bet a heroin will kill you faster than an alcohol will kill gabriel1 .
And why alcohol causes considerably more harm in the wider community? Cause alcohol is cheaper and more available than heroin.

Legalization of heroin = cheap and available heroin (drug dealers will cut costs on illegal transportation of drugs, bribes, etc) So, legalization of heroin increases drug use by ppl and drugs will become considerably more harm in the wider community.

 

making it illegal causes more harm to society. and the time it takes to die from drug abuse is not the point. its the destruction the drug causes while youre still alive that is the main issue

 

Should I ever inject heroin, I'd only be in danger of getting hepatitis if I was desperate enough to share the needle with other users.

The reason why alcohol does more harm to the wider community is not only that it is consumed more often, but also that contrary to heroin it tends to make people aggressive.

If you legalize heroin most unsavoury drug dealers will soon be out of business and the Mexican borderland would all of a sudden feel very peaceful, just as the US got more peaceful (and not more drunk) once the abolition of alcohol ended.

 

That's assuming that legalization would lead to more addicts.

I'm not so sure that's the case. Even if heroin were legal, most of us wouldn't be tempted to try it. Perhaps if we took away the forbidden fruit aspect of it, fewer people would get hooked.

 

Very earnestly. The f-ing weighty argument .
Take the analogous mighty one - making it legal causes more harm to society.

Negative. So-called hard drugs as crocodile or heroin destroy individual more faster than alcohol - thus, hard drugs will kill individual more faster than alcohol. Do you see any connection between the two phenomena

 

Absolutely. But sometimes it happens.

Crime, violence and drug use go hand in hand. Six times as many homicides are committed by people under the influence of drugs, as by those who are looking for money to buy drugs. Most drug crimes aren’t committed by people trying to pay for drugs; they’re committed by people on drugs. (&#1089
http://www.justice.gov/dea/pr/multimedia-library/publications/speaking_out.pdf

The interesting argument. I agree It can undermine the black market and that's the good part, but in my view it can’t stop a growth of drug consumption. Most likely drug mafia will hold their position on the legal drug market

 

In my view this is a moot point. I suppose the dealers will promote the legal hard drugs on the market.
The practice says, sometimes the availability of legal drugs ( tobacco & alcohol) is a future growth of consumption (the legalization of drugs = drug dealers will get new target audience)


p.s.

Unfortunately I don’t think that all individuals are as sober as you + the proper promotion might draw a lot of new users.

 

good, they wont be around as long to drive friends family and fellow workers crazy

 

yeah, that's the good part

 

I don't find it profitable to stand in the way of drug abusers who want to die.

 

in my view this is a moot point, but sometimes i do share your opinion

 

We put a stop to the tobacco pushers advertising their product despite some first amendment concerns. No doubt we could do the same for other drugs as well, as there is now a precedent.

 

In my view there are doubts about that. For example Dutch officials worry about growth of drug consumption. They even want to close some so-called marijuana shops.
And dealers can promote drugs not only through advertisements, media. There are some other methods to promote drugs to users.

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In my view there are doubts about that. For example Dutch officials worry about growth of drug consumption. They even want to close some so-called marijuana shops.
And dealers can promote drugs not only through advertisements, media. There are some other methods to promote drugs to users.

 

Yes, there is some controversy over the cannabis cafes in Holland, particularly for foreigners who come from nations where the use of it remains illegal.

Still, drug abuse is lower in Holland than it is in the USA.

 

Also Dutch officials worry about drug use among Dutchmen, especially among young ppl.

So what? But drug abuse is lower in Singapore than it is in the Holland.

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Also Dutch officials worry about drug use among Dutchmen, especially among young ppl.

So what? But drug abuse is lower in Singapore than it is in the Holland.

 

So our prohibition isn't working out so well, is it?

 

So, you think the legalization of drugs / hard drugs can solve this problem?
+ The prohibition is really working in some countries like Singapore. And legalization of drugs in Holland isn't working out so well too.

 

Legalization of pot would solve several problems: We could make room in our prisons for real criminals, take a lot of the money away from the violent gangs, put a damper on the war going on at our southern border, and put the guys who plant marijuana gardens in our national forests and parks out of business.

As for the "hard" drugs, they need to be decriminalized and controlled. Addiction is still a problem, but it should be regarded as a medical problem and not a legal one.

Unless we're willing to have the same degree of government control that they have in Singapore, prohibition is not going to work. It might not work even then, as we have a different population and a different culture. One thing that is for certain: The war on drugs is not working.

 

Ok Fly, Check out this report. http://www.justice.gov/dea/pr/multim...eaking_out.pdf
Read once again my previous arguments, then take more acceptable one under your last post and shall we have another go?

 

The website for the US Department of Justice?

Exactly, what am I looking for there?

 

this is the report "Speaking Out Against Drug Legalization" provided by your DEA.
may be something wrong with your internet connection.

 

OK, I found it through google. Of course, the DEA is not going to support legalization of anything, as illegal drugs are how it makes its money and gets its power (much like those other guys, the ones on the other side of the battle, but that's another issue)

Let's see.... it starts out:

Now, I've already said that drug abuse is a bad thing. The question is whether the war on drugs is effective, or whether it is worse than the problem it sets out to correct. The assumption is that legalization would increase drug abuse, which is far from established.

Moreover, it lumps all drugs under the heading "narcotic", which is inaccurate. The DEA calls pot a "narcotic", for example, which it is not.

and the exact words above could be used to describe the abuse of alcohol, as well as the use of tobacco, both legal substances.

Now, this is a rather long document, so let's take it one step at a time.

This is a myth?

It says that criminals won't stop being criminals, and that's true.
However, there is a huge amount of money to be had trafficking drugs across the border. Take that money away, and the criminals will have to find something else to do.

How is taking money away from criminal activities a bad thing?

 

Absolutely correct , all bodies do it but in my view this is the quite objective report.

Some expert in narcology (including Russian experts) think that pot is a narcotic.

absolutely

Yes, and in my view this is a key phrase.
Criminals won’t stop being criminals if we make drugs legal. Individuals who have chosen
to pursue a life of crime and violence aren’t likely to change course, get legitimate jobs, and become honest, tax-paying citizens just because we legalize drugs. ©
I guess it’s clear, there is a little probability that criminals will train for a new more peaceful profession after legalization of drugs, right?

 

I told you (see above) that I agree it can undermine the black drug market and that's the good part, but in my view it can't stop a growth of drug consumption. Most likely drug mafia will hold their position on the legal drug market. They have a lot of resources for that. So, there is a strong probability that drug mafia will promote the legal hard drugs on the market.

To anticipate your next argument like –
‘We put a stop to the tobacco pushers advertising their product despite some first amendment concerns. No doubt we could do the same for other drugs as well, as there is now a precedent.’
I’ll tell you that dealers can promote drugs not only through advertisements, media. There are some other methods to promote drugs to users.
Just like that >
[video=youtube;_Eq_H_birog]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Eq_H_birog[/video]

and after legalization of hard drugs they will just open legal heroin shops like marijuana shops in Holland

And there is a bad part –
The practice says, sometimes the availability of legal drugs ( tobacco & alcohol) is a future growth of consumption (so, the legalization of drugs = drug dealers will get new target audience).
And I hope you have heard something about drug dependence? When you use hard drugs this thing is more worse than alcohol dependence. User regularly needs his dose and he needs money for the dose.
Drug user who do use heroin, crocodile etc. f… his entourage every day. For example the crocodile is quite cheap in Russia, but user needs it regularly.

So,
‘Crime, violence and drug use go hand in hand. Six times as many homicides are committed by people under the influence of drugs, as by those who are looking for money to buy drugs. Most drug crimes aren’t committed by people trying to pay for drugs; they’re committed by people on drugs.’ (&#1089


And shall we have another go?

 

Right.

Legalization and decriminalization would not make the criminals become law abiding citizens. It would just take some of the profit out of that crime, that's all.

It could, however, make the choice of becoming a criminal less attractive for youth who are deciding on a life career.

Crime does not pay? Who believes that old saw? Of course it pays. If it didn't, criminals wouldn't be rich. They'd be driving old Chevies instead of new Escalades.