Everyone on food stamps isn't a freeloader

Ah, so you're in the business of pocketing, via a government enforced privilege, land values the public creates. And then you call others freeloaders. It doesn't surprise me. You should be happy about all that spending because it ultimately lands in your pocket anyways via increased rents and purchase prices the market will bear as people compete for places where those programs can be made use of. You absorb all the welfare.

 

Workers attempting to make a living on minimum wage did it to themselves, sorry. Minimum wage was never designed to support a family. It supports a single person, living with other people, sharing expenses with little disposable income left over. Expecting more than that means you're expectations are distorted. YOUR fault you're living in fantasy land. I got paid minimum wage in highschool and some jobs during the summer in college. That's all it was ever designed for.

How many businesses do YOU own? I suggest starting one or a couple and pay all your employees whatever you think they're worth, then come back and post your results regarding how competitive you are. You CAN be competitive, but that's a choice YOU make as a business owner. YOU choose, not the govt. Thats the gripe people have, not how much. The govt shouldn't be able to force everyone to pay a wage that will potentially put them out of business.

 

From The Ohio Constitution:

I live by this. Everyone in Ohio, clear back to 1851, know the words to be true. The words of yours quoted above have no meaning to me.

 

Everyone on food stamps isn't a freeloader - Not the best way to phrase that. Better to say Not everyone on food stamps is a freeloader. That, of course, would be true.

But many are. In fact, welfare always ends up encouraging people to earn less or hide assets in order to get more welfare. The abusers think about themselves and what they can get, not so much about where that welfare ultimately comes from.

 

Happy freeloading.

 

I want to point out millions of hungry and poor people, desperate from want can be very dangerous in the Great Depression the American Communists almost took over California and made gains that is the peaceful and then there is the French Revolution where heads rolled when the masses were driven by skilled orators using the anger at those with power and wealth.

You want to go there?

 

I happily accept rent payments in full. When they are not, I evict them. Usually, they have no intention of paying because they are most often liberal Democrats who like to leave their problems at the door of others. Then I obtain a judgment. I raid their bank account or garnish their paycheck. In the end, I bring them to Jesus. I make them bow before the law. I get restitution, with interest. Then I go buy myself a good dinner with my wife. Together we laugh at how Democrats always want to steal money out of our pockets so that they may spread it around, but we made them spread it right back our way for a change.

 

Did I not say there is abuse in every program and that needs to be addressed, but there is a 100 times more abuse of the system perpetrated by the wealthy and corporations than the average citizen could even imagine and yet it is these abusers that are among the first to call for cuts in social programs.

 

Then go ask Obama and Democrats why they didn't protest the banks giving their employees bonuses after we GAVE/loaned them money? I certainly did. They're all guilty on both sides of letting rich people get away with it. I'm not a tea party member, but at least they wanted to go AFTER those people, yet the establishment called THEM crazy. Oh really? Sounds like the establishment is just covering their a$$es, instead of punishing those who deserve it. Try getting angry at the correct people. Business owners really aren't the bad guys here. A minimum wage hike is going to hurt all the little businesses much more then the big ones. Did you know a McDonalds franchise is a small business? They only way you'll hurt those evil billionaires if you shut down all the franchises. I guess you want to shut down Mom& Pop because thats who basically owns all the franchises. Sucks, huh?

 

Food stamps and other government hand-outs are corporate welfare, allowing businesses to employ people at slave wages.

 

you don't seem to have a good grasp on how economics works

 

WTF?? This guy thought he was fighting in Afghanistan to cure world hunger?

 

How do you "force" the profit losses to be absorbed by the CEO's and executives?

If the CEO's and executives wanted to reduce their own income in order to pay their least paid employees more they are free to do that now, why aren't they? Why would a higher minimum wage change their behavior?

 

You love to reply to people's quote's with WTF?? and then try to make them feel idiotic for their thoughts don't you?

Don't be surprised if he winds up calling you a Noodle Boy, you'll deserve it.

 

I don't but we are still a LONG way off from Great Depression induced communism or a French Revolution.

People in these eras were dying of starvation in the streets.

People of this era have smart phones, and 500 cable tv channels, and designer jeans with dragons embroidered on them.

 

WTF? You stalking me, bro? lol

I don't suppose you noticed in your butt-hurtness that I quoted someone who isn't even a member of this forum so I doubt they'll take much offense?

 

someone would really have to be quite delusional to think that he thinks he was fighting in afghanistan to cure world hunger

 

I didn't, I just posted a reply to this thread and happened to scroll up see your face and the words WTF?? and I thought what were the odds that the only 2 posts I've seen you lead with started the same way.

I did rashly reply to you, but then I did my homework and scanned your recent posts to see if these 2 cases indeed embodied how you converse on these forums.

I begrudgingly acknowledge ... (it almost pains me to type this) ... that not only was I mistaken about your recent quote, but you do not in fact behave so ... abrasively ... in general. Oddly enough after perusing some of your posts, i find we argue in similar fashion and for similar ideals.

I apologize for what its worth, hopefully if we bump into debates again on this forum it can be in a more civil manner and maybe we just might find ourselves on the same side of the argument too.

 

Fair enough.

 

That's the thing, it won't. They'll just raise prices or cut hours to make up the difference. Liberals think upper management should sacrifice for the low level workers, since paying everyone a few more dollars an hour won't actually change anything=) Business should just suck up the losses. Hey, I didn't say it, they did.

 

Maybe that's what the 800 Fema concentration style internment camps, the Fusion centers , the thousands of armored personnel carriers, the millions of black disposable coffins, and the 1.6 billion round ammunition buy , by HOMELAND SECURITY is all about . One of those thing that make you go UMMMM !

 

Whoops, I missed the context of your post. I'm on a roll on this thread that makes me 2 for 2 for misinterpreting posts in about 5 min lol.

 

MANY of those people and households (in fact I would argue either most or an even amount) are capable but are not working at all or they're working one minimum wage full-time/part-time job. That's not MY fault and those people should not receive benefits. I don't care if they have a child or not. If they need other people to take care of their children for them, then there are many, many parents out there who would love to take care of them. Hell, give em to the gay couples, they want kids and can't have em (inside joke).

Nothing sleazy about it. Those numbers do nothing to dissuade my position.

Uhhhh you would need one full-time minimum wage job $15,080 and one part-time minimum wage job $7,540 = $22,620. That is the consequence of not getting a higher education or working to learn marketable skills. And they're not part of the 24% because the stats tell you that 76% of the households include a child, disabled or elderly. That means that 24% of them do NOT include a child, disabled or elderly. And that speaks nothing about all the lazy ass "parents" that have children in their household that they don't work for or take care of.

 

All the people on here that find it impossible to empathize with anyone less fortunate than themselves needs to watch "The Grapes Of Wrath" if you haven't seen it. Here is
Tom Joad's final speech.

I’ll be all around in the dark. I’ll be everywhere you can look. Where ever there’s a
fight so hungry people can eat. Where ever there’s a cop beaten up a guy, I’ll be
there. I’ll be in the way guys yell when they’re mad. I’ll be in the way kids laugh
when they know suppers ready and when the people are eatin the stuff they raised
and living in the houses they build, I’ll be there too.

Tom Joad, The Grapes of Wrath

 

Notice that those people actually worked for what they had. Big difference between that and a bunch of mooches who have an entitlement mentality and expect to be GIVEN their house and food.