Extra Terrestrials... Good or Bad

Discussion in 'Science' started by DarkDaimon, Dec 14, 2018.

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If extra-terrestrials were to visit Earth, they would be...

  1. vicious, colonizing warmongers, after our resources.

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  2. enlightened, peaceful explorers, wanting to learn from us.

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  3. opportunistic capitalists, trying to expand their markets.

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  4. fanatic, religious missionaries, out to convert the galaxy.

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  5. Other

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  1. XploreR

    XploreR Well-Known Member

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    Very nice, thoughtful post. I am in complete agreement. :)
     
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    Any species or even individual of travelling to the Earth from elsewhere would need great technology and intelligence. To believe they would have a "Gunfight" is pathetically naïve and silly. Should these creatures decide to eliminate a human or humanity they will do so unopposed and we probably wont even know it.

    The human imagination is pretty good when it comes to killing each other, theirs would likely be much better.
     
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    If they wanted our Earth or us dead, they could have had that centuries ago. It is obviously NOT what they are here for.
     
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    We don't really know that to be true. We might discover the key to FTL travel tomorrow.

    Gordon Cooper, former Astronaut [one of the original 7] and fighter pilot, saw UFOs twice: Once while in flight. The other time was when he was in charge of test flights at Edwards AFB and they had one land there - this is all according to his video-taped testimony.

    I don't know where he got this, but he said they are only a little more advanced than we are.
     
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    Extra Terrestrials... Good or Bad

    Yes.
     
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    What astronaut Cooper saw may have been ET saucer being back engineered & tested by American scientists & pilots. There's a lot of evidence supporting the idea that ETs are far advanced beyond us, and have been around Earth for millennia. Some fast stages of human development may have been triggered by ETs wanting to help us progress as a species.
     
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    Sure, but that isn't a given. We don't know the limits of technology. We may be close to the end of the line already.

    1) Charles H. Duell, Commissioner of US patent office in 1899: "Everything that can be invented has been invented." [Allegedly]

    2) Many physicists long thought The Standard Model would end physics. And then we discovered that we had missed about 95% of the universe. Whoops!

    So don't get me wrong; I as much as anyone argue that we don't know the limits of technology. We have no idea what is ultimately possible. But that works both ways. What we discover tomorrow may change the world. But there must be a limit. And sooner or later, we will get there if we exist long enough.

    Maybe Star Trek was right [implicitly] - The level of technology for advanced societies approaches a steady state.

    Well, then they introduced a Type IV being - Q
     
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    Gordon Cooper's Testimony

     
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    I've seen this several times before, & regard it as another important piece in the growing list of evidence supporting the presence of ETs.
     
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    Cooper mentions Brig General James McDivitt, another one of the early Astronauts who claimed a UFO sighting. Funny thing about this. I thought I knew about all of the astronaut reports. Then one day, The Brady Bunch came on after something else I had on while I worked. I was busy and wasn't really paying attention until I heard something about an astronaut and a UFO sighting. WHAT? On the Brady Bunch? LOL! But sure enough, McDivitt showed up and described his encounter. A quick check revealed the story to be legitimate.

    It's not a terribly impressive report but still interesting.
     
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    I have to laugh a bit when I hear about this grand conspiracy to hide information about UFOs. The fact is, the true drivers of this subject are not drunk rednecks and stoners, as debunkers like to claim. From the start, often high-ranking military and intelligence officers with direct knowledge of events, constituted the core of the original "UFO nuts". And some of the best evidence I have ever found was in declassified government files.

    I read every declassified UFO report going all the way back into WWII - thousands of files. At one point, I realized I was reading an original Foo Fighter report from a US WWII fighter pilot. Too cool!!! I didn't expect to see records going back into the war.
     
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    Your post is mostly accurate, but covers only part of the story. Cooper delivered a film movie of the object he witnessed to his superiors, which subsequently disappeared forever, after he was ordered to never talk about his experience to anyone. His story is common within the military. There are substantial reports from former military personnel, indicating the military not only knows about ETs, but has several ET saucer craft, & has communicated with ETs on several occasions--enough to know they are totally non-violent & do NOT represent a threat to us as a nation or as a species. Indeed, there are good sources that report many (not all) ETs are actually us from the distant future--time travelers. I'm not claiming all this is true, but I don't dispute the possibilities. Skeptics can't offer solid evidence to counter these claims either.
     
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    And you are talking about it. So what cover up? One plausible explanation is that nobody really knows what is going on. The only reason that all UFO documents haven't been declassified is that either we can't rule out earthly but foreign technology, or it is the > 1 Billion classified documents awaiting declassification, from the cold war era. It is simply a problem of scale. If you don't know about a specific event and know precisely what to request under the FOIA, then there is really no way to find UFO reports generally.

    I have seen evidence of this being true. For example, a then famous Senator Russell took a secret trip to the USSR back in the 1950s. He came back and reported two UFOs that he observed at close range, taking off next to his train, while travelling through a wooded area. He was so impressed by what he saw that he reported it directly to the Senate [IIRC]. That report was declassified but with many redactions. Then an unredacted report was release about 15 years later. None of the information about the UFOs in the report itself was redacted; only his name and where he was visiting. The trip was highly classified even 20 years later. But the information about the UFO was never hidden at all.

    On the other hand, Edgar Mitchell told me that the government doesn't control the information anymore; that it is all in the hands of private contractors. So it could still be true that most people in government don't know what is going on, even if the core of the conspiracy theories are true. Most of the people who started this are all long dead.

    And I know about the extreme accounts as well, eg Phil Schneider.

    Schneider said he would be dead within a year after going public. And he was.
     
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    Territorial motivations are not the only motivations an alien species can have when it comes to destroying competing civs. Planets are extremely hard to defend and extremely easy to attack, so it's a case of the best defense is a good offense. If you MIGHT be a threat to me years down the road, why don't I hurl an asteroid your way at 10% speed of light. What am I out? A rock and some solar energy I used to boost its speed? And I've eliminated a potential threat. Seems win-win.
     
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    I might just be naive but I think UFO's or physical Aliens ever visiting the Earth and it all being a cover up is just way too improbable. It would take coordination of unprecedented proportions to keep something like that from leaking out.

    This isn't the same as keeping military secrets like experimental stealth planes or the Manhattan Project. This is talking about keeping a secret about the greatest discovery in the history of the human species and hoping NOBODY says anything. Now I do understand that some folks have said something with relatively respectable credentials and their testimonies tend to get dismissed by skeptics like me, but I'm talking more along the lines of raw indisputable evidence leaking out.

    Plus I've noticed something rather peculiar when it comes to things like ET and UFO's or Bigfoot. The more advanced and publicly accessible technology becomes the less those jokers tend to come around. UFO's had the uncanny mind of reason to decide to stop visiting Earth once the majority of the population had HD camera's in their pockets.

    The billions of people on Earth all seem to be able to take some pretty decent HD candid pictures of various things on the fly all the time, but for some reason whenever ET or Bigfoot shows up he turns everyones iPhone X's into one of those gotta crank the handle and hold still for 5 minutes camera's from the old Western days.

    I'm easy, just show me a picture. I don't need a bunch of testimonies or documents of questionable credibility. ET apparently used to show up all the time back in the day so just show me a picture or a video that doesn't look like it was taken by a dude with Tourette's who smeared Vaseline on his camera lens.
     
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    Where is the evidence that it hasn't leaked out?

    What would be indisputable evidence?

    That isn't true at all. The problem is that you can't prove a photo or video wasn't faked. In fact, the news about Navy encounters with UFOs is due to a flap [a large number of sightings] back around 2015.

    I posted a video of a flying saucer taking off. What more could you want?
     
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    Here's a photo of an alien. We're done now, right?

    [​IMG]
     
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    No, I can buy one of those things at the local mall and take a grainy picture myself.

    I'm talking more along the lines that accredited scientists put out a press briefing saying we have evidence of ET. Here it is.

    You're a science person I can tell, you know how the scientific community works. Peer reviews, testing, retesting, etc. I want the respectable scientific community to come together with the evidence that is out there and tell the public that it's real and proof of ET.

    This is the single largest and most important discovery in the history of the human species. If this were true and validated by the scientific community then it would be on every news and media outlet on the planet for months.

    But that has never happened to that extent.

    Put it this way, I want the picture you have posted as evidence to have gone through all of the required channels to elevate itself from hypothesis to scientific theory. I want enough evidence to where ET is a scientific theory within the community, not a speculation. You are well aware I'm sure of the requirements for something to reach the status of theory within the scientific community. Can that be done with the evidence we currently have?
     
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    The guy was contracted to dig open a spot where no one expected to break thru lower levels occupied by aliens. I don't know which side started shooting first. After he recovered, he was going around holding conferences about his experience. He died mysteriously in the hallway of a boarding home or something like that. It was on YouTube. Edit: His name is Phil Schneider.
     
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    The Navy Dept just released a very well done documentary called "The Nimitz Encounters," in which several crew members relate how after encountering UFOs during a naval sea exercise off the coast of S California in 2004, they were all required to sign a non-disclosure order forcing them to "never talk about their experience." All four & other unidentified crew members noted how uncomfortable it has been for them to stay quiet all these years about something so profound. You can watch the video on Youtube. It's quite good.
     
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    Not all advanced species think like primitive, warmongering humans. Actually, not all humans think that way either--fortunately for the species.
     
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    We don't know how advanced species think. They may be extremely paranoid of other species.
     
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    I understand both your skepticism & your discomfort with the overall "blurry" photos most often offered as evidence for UFOs or ETs. I was a skeptic most of my life, until I actually saw a UFO myself, which zipped from hovering directly overhead, to disappearing beyond the distant horizon, all in between 1 & 2 seconds. Three people with me at the time saw the same thing. All of us let out a loud gasp coupled with expletives. That sighting changed my skepticism to pure curiosity & strong conviction that ETs are here now. Subsequent research on my part has convinced me that ETs & UFOs have been here for a very long time. I am also convinced they are completely peaceful, wish us no harm, and have no desire to "take over our planet." They are NOT A THREAT, & have shown both high regard & concern for the health of our planet.

    If you have some curiosity about UFOs, I suggest you spend a little time reviewing the many videos on "Secureteam 10", & on "Suspect Sky" in Youtube. I don't pretend all the videos are real, but I believe a small percentage of them are, and some are quite incredible to look at. I also recommend the personal website for Dr. Steven Greer. He has some really interesting videos of UFOs he somehow calls in to where he & others are waiting & watching. Dr. Greer is an ET experiencer--he claims he's been in their physical presence & on their ships. He's very intelligent--a former emergency medical doctor--very level headed, & quite believable.

    I also suggest you look at the Atacama Child on Dr. Greer's website, and the Nazca Mummies on Gaia channel or in Youtube, but be careful, for both of these have skeptics who try to denounce these real findings. Professional medical personnel have examined all these & lab tests confirm they are real.

    Regardless of the outcome, I hope you enjoy exploring these fascinating topics. :)
     
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    Thank you. I'll look into it. :)
     
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    Somehow, I doubt that. Being "more advanced" has to have some kind of meaning or context. Paranoia pretty much nullifies being "more advanced."
     

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