Faith vs Science?

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  1. Swensson

    Swensson Devil's advocate

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    Experientially sounds to me like it might be open to misidentification or misinterpretation. It could just as well be phrased as a task of the intellect to bring together emotions and intellect (explicit as well as implicit) to a conclusion. It seems to me those are effectively the same, except that that version doesn't allow for (one part of) your proof of God.
    I don't see that that distinction makes them into separate concepts in the sense that they are used here. My view basically regards emotions as some quick and dirty back-of-the-envelope piece of the intellect. True, they will probably be distinct in terms of brain mechanics, but it doesn't seem to argue your point in particular. What you're saying doesn't indicate to me that the existence of emotions is hard to explain on an evolutionary view.
    I'm confused, I thought that was by definition what volition was. Would you be satisfied to do something if your volition didn't agree?
     
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    See ya. Sorry you were unable to convince me. By the way, I read and understand just fine.
     
  3. fmw

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    Those are opinions I don't share. Sorry.
     
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    OK semantic argument noted. Meaningless.

    I suspect the answer is to get government out of the issue completely. It is the answer to most political issues. If you don't want government to ban abortions then get the government to stop supporting them. Make it a moral issue rather than a legal and political one. That might reduce abortions. Attacking those who hate abortion won't help anything in any way.
     
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    Not always. Faith is the belief that the unknown is known. Religious people believe in life after death. This gives them strength and confidence. Science can't do that.
     
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    Most scholars do not think the events of exodus happened
     
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    Seems you are getting your morals from political sources.

    NO one has defined a human fetus as anything other than human...…

    Your ranting about something that was never said is rather silly...
     
  8. fmw

    fmw Well-Known Member

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    Read what I said again. "nor does it state that killing it is killing something non-human. Whether or not it is moral to abort a fetus is not a scientific subject. It is a political one." You blamed me for ignoring science. You were wrong. Live with it. I didn't state my morals. You assumed them.
     
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    You either have moral reasons for your objection and position or you are ignoring scientific fact...pick one because there are no other options.

    Or you can just explain your reasoning and everyone will know.
     
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    What scientific fact are you talking about? There is nothing in science that supports abortion. I understand human morphology. That is science. Where does science say that it is OK to kill a fetus? It is you who needs to explain your reasoning.
     
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    That was pointless distraction and purposeful avoidance of topic....you simply keep trying redirect to something no one even mentions.
     
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    Everything you write is correct in the sense that both emotion and volition must be 'translated' into intellect in order to consider or express them. However, that does not prove to me that they are one in the same.
     
  13. WillReadmore

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    Well, if you want to write laws against women I'm pretty darn sure it is you who has to justify that.
     
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    Total misunderstanding of science and faith. I need both. Science and faith involve two different things. Science is the study of the natural. Faith or religion involves the supernatural. Unless you are doing them wrong, the two don't intersect.
     
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    And people are allowed to have theist beliefs and make decisions based on them. It's a fundamental part of this country's makeup. Theist views drove the abolitionists and the Civil Rights movement.
     
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    So the bible isn't a historical book according to you, but there are Christians that take it word for word as I stated.......and you don't see the problem in the gap in beliefs? If it's not historical and is only here to teach morals, then it is not to be believed. Christian vs Christian huh?
     
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    Really? Like that child whose parent refuse to take them to the doctor for a treatable condition because prayer and gawd is going to fix it and the child ends up dying?
     
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    Okay, so beliefs do sometimes, in fact, hurt people. Goodness you talk all over yourself.
     
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    No. I said actions can hurt people.
     
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    Actions, not beliefs.
     
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    Yes there are people who have that belief. What does that have to do with anything?
     
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    I haven't said a word about laws or legality. You said that.
     
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    OK, will leave you alone.
     
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    Pschology professor Gary Collins said that he doesnt see signs that Jesus was suffering from any known mental illness and said positive things about Jesus
     
  25. WillReadmore

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    Good. I thought you were in favor of laws against abortion from reading your previous posts about using politics to enforce your religious views on others.
     

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