Fast Food workers declare minimum wage "unlivable"

So... assuming you are correct, is capitalism a flawed system that should be abandoned in your opinion?

 

No it is a system with flaws that can be manipulated and played just liked any other. It is a system if used as it was sold to us, is the most productive and beneficial to anybody who is allowed to participate.

Once the government has been sold to the highest bidder, ergo corrupted, and the cronyism capitalism train roles through, what is left is what we have now. A super rich class, and the peasants blaming each other and fighting over the crumbs.

 

In my estimation, enough to NOT qualify for welfare would be a reasonable minimum. I mean we're talking say $20K a year gross pay? That's $9.62 an hour for a 40 hour a week employee .

 

An interesting chart on wage earners: http://www.ssa.gov/cgi-bin/netcomp.cgi?year=2011

In 2011, 40.28% of all wage earners made less than $20,000. No clutter about number of jobs or kids, simply the wages of individuals.

A minimum wage of $10.10 for full employment would be $20,200. Spin away.

Oh the chart is also interesting by looking at top wage earners.

 

The interesting thing is the richest of the rich, do not make wages or salaries, they reap the benefits and rewards of other people's hard work, money, and time invested.

 

So in your opinion, extortion by way of collective bargaining is not corrupts, cronyism, or should be discouraged?

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Im not asking about welfare.

What do you think is a fair minimum wage for full time work. What minimum standard of living is acceptable?

 

So... employees should automatically be shareholders?

 

Where did I say anything remotely similar to that?

Why not? When welfare is a better option than working for a living something is drastically out of whack. Welfare is based on the basic cost of living. You don't believe wages should represent the realistic ability to survive in the cost of living established by the society one resides in?

How little would you be willing to pay somebody who devotes 50 hours of their time towards an effort that should be beneficial (not mutually) to everyone involved? Would you demand that they work for less than they can possibly/realistically survive on? Sounds like you would if you could get away with it.

 

When did any of this become a valid function of government?

 

Do you have any comments that actually can be associated with what I said?

Not necessarily, but employees who have a vested interest, are more productive and much better employees. Not for employees who believe it is their duty to exploit their employees, even if it means making them dependents of the government, and cheat them out of a fair/reasonable wage for the profits their work help create.

 

Maybe when so many people who have jobs are forced to depend on the government for their very existence, because of the insufficient wages that are forced upon them. What did they assume would happen when they allowed cronyism capitalism to prop up a small minority of businesses, and create a economical landscape where small businesses (locally owned, managed, and controlled) cannot possibly exist?

I mean other than a welfare state?

Which seems to have been the goal all along.

 

When did burger flipping become a PERMANENT CAREER CHOICE?

 

"...cronyism capitalism to prop up a small minority of businesses..."

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Like Solyndra and GE?

When wages and prices are grist for the government mill, the road to a USSR-type collapse is straight and short.

 

When major corporations officially purchased all three branches of government (no matter where the corporate owned parties reside), monopolized most industries, and started financing communist dictators who supply them with slave labor.

 

To name a few. And don't think it was an easy feat, this is a crisis 40 years in the making, brought to you by the best government corporate money can buy, AKA the two party scam.

 

The solution is certainly NOT "more government."

 

Good lord I don't see how. Exactly why the solution has absolutely nothing to do with the two party scam.

 

Let's fix this first: "So in your opinion, extortion by way of collective bargaining is not corrupt nor cronyism, and should not be discouraged?"

Now, only a right winger would call collective bargaining extortion. Collective bargaining is a process of negotiations between employers and a group of employees aimed at reaching agreements that regulate working conditions. The interests of the employees are commonly presented by representatives of a union to which the employees belong. The collective agreements reached by these negotiations usually set out wage scales, working hours, training, health and safety, overtime, grievance mechanisms, and rights to participate in workplace or company affairs.

It is a tool to negotiate with management. If you want to see extortion, look at employers telling workers to take what the employer thinks is fair when the employee is not allowed to negotiate.

He gave his answer. He doesn't believe that taxpayers should pay for employers' expenses.

 

1908. Okay, I will change that to 1912 for the first laws.

 

fixing the Standard of Weights and Measures is specifically enumerated as delegated to our federal Congress.

 

How in the bloody hell is fixing an already existing minimum wage law more government?

Oh, and by the way, sometimes more government actually IS a solution, although I grant that the circumstances are rare

 

Why don't you oh I don't know, try reading the thread. I have said CONSISTENTLY that I believe that the minimum wage should be $9.27 an hour which is consistent with inflation since 1965.

I have further stated that I believe anyone who works ANY full time job should be entitled to wages which disqualify them for welfare.

I will also state that I believe those who continue to use "burger flipper" as some sort of attempted slur should be thread banned for being trolls who are adding nothing to the conversation, but that's just one man's opinion.

 

How can you properly stomp on an individual who is already down without demeaning them verbally in the process?

Just take pride in realizing that well over half of the people who do this couldn't handle one shift in most, so-called, unskilled labor positions, much less handle it as a full time position for any more than a week, and most would be fired after the first few hours.

 

I have no doubt that the average person who is on here railing against such workers is actually unemployed themselves, so yeah I agree they couldn't , or wouldn't do those jobs. Especially for those wages.

I just fail to see how anyone could argue that lower job wages shouldn't rise in relation to prices and upper wages.

And anyone who doesn't think McD franchises are making money hand over fist just doesn't know anything.

In fact I can tell you this, my friend has told me that he profits well over $200K a year from ONE store.

Now yes of course, he's the one who invested in the restaurant and so he should be the one who reaps the lion's share, but let's not be delusional here. His employees also are vested in the success of the restaurant (and believe me, he isn't shy about firing those who aren't) and they should be rewarded accordingly. Also, the government itself has a vested interest in any business because without subsidized utilities etc etc how would anyone even open a restaurant?

This is why I always laugh when the um less intelligent among us make fun of Obama's "you didn't build that " remark.

He of course was commenting that no one built ANY business alone. A successful business requires equity from owners, employees, and the government alike.

I doubt anyone here truly believes that a McD that was staffed by the owner alone and had no city water or utilities would be very successful.

Unfortunately , people are greedy and selfish. Fortunately we have a remedy in place to keep such people somewhat in check. Now you guys can (*)(*)(*)(*) and moan all you want, doesn't change the fact that the system is IN place, and is unlikely to be removed. So this "it isn't the government's place " BS is just stupid, It in fact IS the government's place to set a minimum wage and has been since 1936. Boo hoo.

Now all we're discussing is what should the new minimum wage be?

 

What do weights and measures have to do with fast food wages.

People are paid what their work is worth. No more, no less.