Final Debate

Well put...and 100 percent correct as usual Mr. California

 

I'm assuming Trump supporters here might be able to help me. Who are the 3 in AOC plus 3? And can you explain the sheets and pillows reference?

 

I missed the sheets and pillows comment, so I don't have context.

Here is AOC + 3. The angry socialists club.

 

The Pillow and sheets reference was regarding the Obama administration supplying the people of Ukraine pillows and sheets while the Trump administration supplied tank busters which changed the complexity of the conflict back in Ukraine's favor.

 

Ah, blankets and food reference - that he screwed up. Of course he didn't mention that they also equipment for the military and $100M

 

Oh yeah. Ukraine was begging for arms to fight Russia. Obama wouldn't provide them with weapons to defend themselves. His administration did send humanitarian comforts (pillows and sheets) while Russia invaded them.

Trump sent military equipment they needed to defend themselves....plus some "pillows and sheets".



https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2020/10/donald-trump-debate-answers-fox-news-brain.html

 

I did. No open borders. No free healthcare for illegal aliens. No ban on fracking. No defunding of the police. No socialized medicine. No increase in taxes for the middle class. These are all campaign talking points (actually, lies) from the Trump campaign and the faithful repeat them, like the good parrots that they are.

According to rightists, Biden will turn America into a socialist (or actually, communist) s.... hole, they will come for our guns, and the sky will fall if Biden is elected. Exactly what they said both times when Obama was the candidate. Last I checked, we're still a developed capitalist country, I still own a shotgun, and the sky is still up there. Yawn.

Biden is a moderate and centrist, like me, which is one of the reasons why I voted for him.

 

That Obama screwed up?

 

Yeah, under Obama's watch, Ukraine lost a chunk of prime real estate to Russia. Guess that was part of Obama's alliance with Putin, he called the "Russia Reset". Obama was very cozy with Russia.

 

AOC is not running. Her "Squad" represents 1.7% of the Democrat caucus in the House. If she runs for higher office she will be soundly defeated like her mentor Bernie Sanders was (took a spanking from Biden, who beat him with a difference of 8 million votes in the Dem primaries - Dem voters are NOT interested in Bernie's and the Squad's extremisms).

 

If he was so cozy, why did he impose sanctions that they couldn't wait to have rolled back?

 

Here's the thing..Biden NEVER had those votes you assumed he lost. What he did gain is Union votes that are peppered in those states though. Skilled Union Labor knows better and has been pushing for government backed alternative energy for quite some time.
And like I said..Those jobs are safe for the foreseeable future..enough so that If your son had a child now, your grandchild could still enter the failing field after highschool. 2050, does not mean in the next 8 years shut it down.

 

Because that's lying. Rip the bandaid off..its whats gonna happen. Oil doesent last forever.

 

Obama and Biden did not send the Ukrainians weapons to help defend themselves from Putin's invasion....this was because of Obama's deal with Putin to be more flexible with him if he aided him in the 2012 election.

 

Who rolled back sanctions? Obama didnt issue any until after Clinton lost the election and they needed a scape goat to blame

 

AOC runs the Dem caucus and is a top advisor to the Biden campaign

 

Who told you that lie?

 

Yep. As you can see, they are only four (1.7% of the Democrat House caucus) and nobody else has joined them. These people have 1 representative in the Senate (2% of the Senate) and 1.7% of the House. The House leadership hates them and the senators from both parties consider Sanders an irrelevant pariah.

Sanders made a splash in 2016 EXCLUSIVELY because he ran against a very unpopular candidate with a huge rejection from the electorate. As soon as that candidate was not running and a more sympathetic one was, Sanders was cut to his actual size and took a thorough spanking, losing the primaries by 8 freaking million votes.

If any of these four representatives try to run for higher officer, senator, governor, or God forbid president, they will be soundly defeated, much worse than Sanders (who at least seems venerable and experienced while these four are as green as the deal they are proposing).

The idea that Dem and Dem-leaning independents want anything to do with Bernie Sanders or the Squad is just a talking point from the Trump campaign.

Sure, like ALL politicians (including Trump), Biden will posture and pay lip service to the left wing of his party because he wants to keep them in the flock as he knows that in a tight election he can't win without their votes. So, he pretended to make some agreements with Sanders... which I fully expect that he will not follow, once elected.

Biden is a moderate centrist, has been so for 47 years, and it's not now that he'll turn extreme left. Relax. It's just electoral posturing.

Is this posturing indicative of a lack of integrity? Absolutely! It sure is, and I don't like it, and I don't condone it. But the thing is, ALL candidates from ALL parties in ALL elections in ALL countries do this.

If we were to disqualify candidates because they posture and they make promises they don't intend to keep, we'd have to disqualify EVERYBODY (including Trump) and just go fishing instead of go voting, on election day, every election.

So, you think Trump doesn't do that? He's been promising not just to repeal but to REPLACE Obamacare with a beaauuuuutifuuulll bigly healthcare plan that will allow us all to have beauuutttiffulll health care for a fraction of the cost, and we were supposed to get that, day one of his term. Almost 4 years later he is still making this promise, as recently as this week. It's always coming... a few weeks down the road. Well, it's been 4 years, he had both chambers of Congress for two of these four years, did nothing.

And that wall, it was supposed to be all paid for by the Mexicans, right? Not by our taxpayers, not by tariffs (which hurt our consumers), not by money diverted from military funds. BY THE MEXICANS. That was the promise. Pray tell, has that check from the Mexican president been cashed already?

 

Yeah, sure, she runs the Dem caucus. That's why her mentor got the nod and was selected the nominee, right? Oh oops, no he wasn't. He lost by 8 freaking million votes. That's why the DNC did not organize around a moderate candidacy to block her mentor, right? Oh oops, they did. OK, the DNC is not the same as the Dem House caucus, but then, that's why they were four, then more people joined them, 8, 16, 32, 64, 128... Oh oops, no, they remain the same isolated four.

Don't confound being strident and vociferous with leading anything. These four are not going anywhere. The party is tolerating them now because they need the votes from the far left. Once Biden is elected, bye bye any Squad influence; they will be back to being as irrelevant as always (but of course will remain strident).

 

nobody it's very obvious to anyone watching she runs the party now....

 

The DNC selected who they thought had a better chance of winning....they put Biden up, and made the most liberal senator his VP...
https://govtrackinsider.com/our-ide...the-most-liberal-senator-in-2019-bbd25493ca72
AOC and Bernie are top advisors, and they got Biden to offically sign their manifesto
https://joebiden.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/08/UNITY-TASK-FORCE-RECOMMENDATIONS.pdf

 

In what way is it lying? That clean energy will eventually replace fossil fuels but we are not there yet? In what way is that a lie? And what does that have to do with oil not lasting forever? Sure, but again, we're not there yet.

 

AOC and Bernie will be ZEROES after Biden wins the election. Mark my words. Manifestos are not the same as policy once a candidate becomes the POTUS. Biden has nothing to lose, he doesn't even want to run in 2024, so he doesn't need to keep any of this advisor and manifesto stuff. He'll simply say "Once I became POTUS, with all the weight and responsibility of the office, I started seeing things in a different light and changed my mind. Sorry, no can do." And they won't be able to do anything about it, since Sanders is just 1 senator in 100, and the Squad is only 4 representatives in 538. And Harris is not part of that cabal. To think that she is more liberal than Sanders and Warren is just ridiculous. Of course it is convenient for the Trump campaign to say so, since they want to depict Biden as the most horrible communist. By the way, Biden looks pretty healthy to me and not demented at all. I fully expect him to be alive until the end of his term.

 

so you are saying Joe is just lying to voters about his plans??

 

Sure, sure. That's why her beloved mentor Bernie Sanders is the nominee. Oh wait, he isn't. Actually the one who is, Biden, is the one she once said she doesn't understand how she is in the same party with him and threatened to blackball.

LOL, AOC is strident and arrogant but also dumb and inexperienced. She is not in charge of anything. It's only in your imagination that she is (or actually, in the devious imagination of the Trump campaign which wants to depict the Democratic Party as some sort of communist party, which it is very far from being).