Finland Gets it!

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  1. Turtledude

    Turtledude Well-Known Member Donor

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    so what. they don't have the demographics that spike it either
     
  2. Jakob

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    So everybody has to be studying wars to live in a peaceful land? Has now everybody who wants to live in the USA needs to handle with a state-of-the-art semiautomatic weapon?
    Thanks, without me, please.
     
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    You're wrong.
     
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    He's absolutely correct. But of course it's considered "racist" to point out such a thing.
     
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    Every nation that lasts very long has a "has a long history of idiot generals with antiquated ideas in relation to strategy".
     
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    Ddyad Well-Known Member

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    All crime, including gun crime soars after gun control laws take away the ability of the law abiding population to defend itself.
    Why would anyone expect any other result?
     
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    Finland doesn’t have a neighbour shipping thousands of illegal guns into the country every day
     
  8. Bowerbird

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    True but ANZAC day was just a few days ago and that entire **** show underscored the idiocy of the British high command
     
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  9. Turtledude

    Turtledude Well-Known Member Donor

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    they also don't have a corrupt government that allows lots of military grade firearms to be sold by government employees to the non-existent gangs in Finland either. Fully automatic weapons are not coming from US gun dealers to the cartels in Mexico
     
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    Lols!
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    https://www.google.com/url?sa=i&url...d=0CBMQ3YkBahcKEwigsu6cgfiFAxUAAAAAHQAAAAAQBA

    And how much of that lucrative industry is ending in the pockets of the US gun manufacturers and ultimately the NRA?
     
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    Turtledude Well-Known Member Donor

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    I guess you cannot understand that our government and military contractors sell/give lots of military weapons to Mexico and corrupt governmental types down there allow those weapons to be diverted to criminals

    your citation is a joke too: it says this

    70 percent of guns seized in Mexico and traced by the US Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms, and Explosives (ATF) from 2009 to 2014 came from the US:

    guess what-the ATF doesn't trace foreign made weapons that are seized in Mexico. People who understand this issue are laughing at your claims

    It does not say 70 Percent of the guns used by criminals came from retail gun dealers in the USA which is what you are trying to insinuate
     
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    Yep! Usual excuse “it is everyone’s fault except the white guys” It is sooooo weird because if it WERE true then why not restrict gun sales to only certain demographics?
     
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    Love how you have backed this with a proven citation - sooo indicative of tertiary education!
     
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    I cannot help it if you are unable to read and understand your own "proof". You seem to labor under the delusion that the ATF somehow is going to trace every firearm seized by the mexican government. I have a bit of advice for you since you obviously have little understanding of US law enforcement agencies-the ATF does have the means or the authority to trace foreign made firearms seized in Foreign countries. You seem to think that the only firearms seized are ones that are ultimately traced by the ATF.

    And that is why i am laughing at how silly your claim is
     
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    And you seem to have little understanding of copyright. Even if you are quoting my source YOU CITE IT! Put the link in.
     
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    I copied that line from YOUR SOURCE. this might be the lamest attempt to avoid getting schooled I have ever seen. I merely opened YOUR LINK and copied a line from it.
     
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    I find it funny when people who don't live here in this country try to tell us that they understand the sort of racial demographics in the breakdown of crime by race in this nation.

    Perhaps you should watch some rap music videos to a broaden your cultural horizons. You may notice that they glorified violence and drug sales and criminal use of firearms as a way of life.

    Is it all of the blacks? Of course not but there is a portion of the black population that is responsible for an overwhelming amount of gun violence in this nation.

    But you wouldn't know anything about that. You don't have to rub elbows and walk amongst them.

    I still remember the time about a year and a half ago about 2:00 a.m. in the morning when three black youths came into the store and one of them drops a gun on the floor in front of the register. Do you reckon he was a lawful owner or do you think they were out at 2:00 a.m. up to no good?

    And yes I did call the police because the answer to that question is obvious. He sheepishly tried to pick it up and tuck it in the back of his pants where I couldn't see it but I know exactly what a gun sounds like hitting the floor and we watched it on camera later.

    I asked him, it's heavy ain't it? Lol. How embarrassing when someone doesn't even know the value of a holster to carry a gun.
     
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    yeah I love foreigners telling us why we need to change our laws so we are more like their countries

    I like how she wanted me to CITE the article she claimed proved her point when I merely copied a line from it (showing it didn't say what she erroneously claimed it did)
     
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    If you are afraid to own a gun in the USA, no one makes you own one. What we tire of is having those who are afraid of guns telling us we cannot own them
     
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    There's an old saying that addresses your point here...." If you want peace you must prepare for war ".

    There are plenty of people out there that have no problem making you a victim. It's up to you if you want to be unprepared and depend upon a cell phone but don't try telling the rest of us what to do or not do.

    The reality is, is that we live in a world with evil people walking amongst us and the police can't always be everywhere all the time.
     
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    You know that's not true. Finland has much more regulated anti-gun laws and much less crimes per capita. Same does e.g. Switzerland.
     
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    I'm not afraid about the guns - there are nations where there are as many guns as men, for instance Switzerland and Finland.

    I'm afraid what you do with them.

    Swiss and Finnish people will use their guns to defend their country, NRA-brainwashed Americans choose at will what or who they want to fight. Even the most brutal school schooter thinks he is defending himself.
     
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    I prefer the Latin original: Si vis pacem, para bellum. Although this is a good advicve for countries I don't believe it's that good if you've got a karen neighbor.

    If you will read my comments it's the mindset I criticize. And yes: I am unprepared and in Germany there are even fewer police men. But I'm safe anyway. You got it?

    Yes, it is. But you can't fight them by giving them more guns. The reality is: There are many countries outside the USA. It's pure ignorance not to look elsewhere and how them have solved a problem that you also want to be fixed.
     
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    You don't know that you are safe. There is nowhere in this world that is safe unless you are completely by yourself with no other human beings around you. For all you know some of the friends of Allah that your country keeps importing, might be planning the next mass stabbing event in your country.

    What's pure ignorance is living in another country and thinking that you have some sort of standing to criticize a foreign nation and how their citizens conduct their own affairs.

    Doesn't it make you remotely angry that the people that say that you have no need or right to own a gun have no problem making sure that they themselves and their family are protected by the same weapons that they deny you?

    Are they more important than your family and loved ones just because they managed to get elected?
     
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    I am without a knife safer than you with 25 plus weapons.

    I don't criticize a nation, I criticize you and the NRA. I'm just not this ignorant and I am aware that other countries might have had better answers for the problems my country has, too.

    I have the same right to own a gun like any politician has, so why I should be angry? If I would feel unsafe I had a weapon in my home, but I feel safe.

    As with fame comes envy there is a need to protect some politicians like some judges and celebrities, too. I know, that with our right wing AfD-Party violance is on the rise. These days our news deal with violance against politicians, that's right. But 90% of our elected members of the Bundestag don't have any protection and they won't need it either. There is no risk that Germany will introduce American gun laws.
     
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