Firearms Irresponsibility Laws?

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  1. happy fun dude

    happy fun dude New Member

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    Are there any federal and/or states laws about responsibility requirements?

    For example, let's say the for the SH tragedy, that the mother of the kid wasn't killed, so, after this what kind of punishment could she get for allowing a minor access to firearms?

    When accountability is applied to owners of dangerous dogs when they snap out and attack it appears to be somewhat useful

    This one might be useful:

    If at any time you have lost a firearm, and don't know where it is, you have to call some phone hotline for reporting it to local police.

    Or

    Also, what kind of sentencing guidelines would be good?

    Or can the use of your guns by someone else, which results in fatal injuries to others, be considered manslaughter or involuntary manslaughter even?

    Or do you think that this kind of law, or any gun law(s) is wrong for some reason?


    I found a law like this proposed in Missouri:

    SB 124 by Maria Chappelle-Nadal (D:

    “Creates the crimes of failing to stop illegal firearm possession, negligent storage of a firearm, and failure to notify a school of firearm ownership.”

    Now that third thing at least I think is no good; you shouldn't have to notify different people just for owning firearms, except for local authorities, who should also know the serial numbers.
     
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    perdidochas Well-Known Member

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    Her son was 20 yrs old, not a minor. Also, you are making an assumption that she stored it laxly. There is no evidence out in the news that I've seen that says how her guns were stored. This guy was a genius level young man who had at least a long weekend alone in the house within the months before.

    And your requirements above would not have stopped Sandy Hook. Ms. Nadal's ideas are just ludicrious.
     
  3. happy fun dude

    happy fun dude New Member

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    I'm just talking about hypothetical... I'm not trying to argue that in real life SH could have been prevented..

    Certainly I don't think there's any magic solution that will just sort out the whole problem. Too many people are just naturally violent.

    Do you consider any accountability laws that could be useful or none of them?

    I don't like this Missouri bill proposal much either but I like the idea of legal deterrence for negligence or illegal transfer of weapons (like to gangbangers) if they don't have that already.
     
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    2ndaMANdment New Member

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    I agree to a point. I am responsible, most gun owners are responsible, but we have seen what happens when people are not. If someone wants to buy a gun, they should have good a good safe. If someone is able to steal them you need to report it immediatly. Your children should be trained how to handle a gun and safely disarm it. A child who knows how to use it will be less of a chance to hurt or kil himself with it. BUT YOU STILL MUST KEEP THAT GUN LOCKED AWAY AND SAFE FROM THEM or youshould face somekind of penalty the same if you handed him/her the gun to kill someone.
    With that being said, it still won't change much in gun homicide rates, as only 1% of unjustified gun homicides were from legal gun owners and only 10% of gun homicides are from guns that were stolen from legal owners.
     
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    DixNickson Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Why do you have to report the firearms you own and the corresponding serial numbers to the government?
     
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    2ndaMANdment New Member

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    That I don't fully agree with, maybe any transfers and guns willed down through a death should go through an FFL to prevent straw purchases. What OP was suggesting sounds like registration, which would prevent straw purchases, but at a flick of a switch could lead to confiscation. There can be other ways that combined can prevent straw purchases. There definitly should be harsh punishment for straw purchases, but I do agree with liabilty for negligence of safekeeping laws.
     
  7. happy fun dude

    happy fun dude New Member

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    Thank you! Registration is exactly what I meant, and I appreciate you pointing out this drawback.. I couldn't think of any reason why not, until you provided this one, so it gives me new stuff to weigh and consider.

    I'm rather a noob about talking about gun control stuff anyway.. But it seems like a big issue nowadays so I'm trying to learn more about what's going on.
     
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    Maybe for forensics purposes? Like if the police uncover a weapons stash, and check the numbers and find out where those guns came from, they might be able to find someone who is making illegal transfers, which as far as I know is the main way that gangbangers get their hands on all this firepower?

    (I'm just guessing really)
     
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    2ndaMANdment New Member

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    Actually that only accounts for 10% of it. 30% of it is straw purchases(someone who legally purchases a firearm for someone who can't.) But the grey area is where are the remainder coming from, and how are people getting a hold of fully automatic weapons that have been banned scince the 30's and require a special license that is near impossible to get and require full registration.
    I know that the cartels from Mexico flow a steady amount of guns including automatics to America's illegal market, as the intercept them from time to time.
     

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