Fiscal Conservative; Social Liberal

hogswallow, sir.
Freedom within reason? More like Freedom According to Donkey (or Elephant) Reason.

This screams of a mind indoctrinated to class warfare.

If "The Rich" fail the Reps? Really? And I suppose that Immelt is skimming by? or Buffet? or the Rockefellers, the Kennedys, Gore and Soros?
Do you know who Wall Street supported (to the tune of millions) last go? Ya, not Mac.

One, two, buckle my shoe; three, four, close the door.

Reagan bailed out Chrysler, Bush bailed out GM, everybody has been bailing out the banks since 1913...what is your point?

have you considered that the notion of entitled bailouts for all is a faulty concept at the start?

I'll assume you have no children. When you do, I suggest you allow them to fail once and again. And when they find things at which they are no good, don't prop them up and press on, allow them to change course to more successful endeavors.

dear gawd man, did you read what you just posted?

Elites Cannot Allow (Everyone) the Freedom to Live with Their Own Choices/Mistakes



We hold these truths to be self-evident:
that all men ....are endowed... with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty (AKA FREEDOM) and the pursuit (NOT GUARANTEE) of Happiness.

 

gypsy,
There's no point in arguing with the man. I think he's done a fine job explaining the Washington Elite point of view. Or at least that of the lower echelons.
They see it as their patriotic duty to micromanage your life, from what food you may purchase right down to the toilet they'll allow you to crap in. They *truly* believe that they know what's best for you even more than you do.
The higher-ups are more crass about it. They just want to control everything they can because control is power and power is money.

Paul threatens that power structure and none of these people want that. That's why they'll stop at nothing to sabotage his campaign.

 

Seasons - Here is your candidate.

Gary Johnson Added to GOP Field for Fox News Google Debate

He has been graced with the opportunity to engage in tomorrow's debate so here is your opportunity to get to know him.

 

/me likes this.

 

It is unmitigated arrogance...and greed.
It is the very definition of class-ism: it's "Us" and those who can be manipulated by "Us", rich or poor.
How the left can acknowledge this without acknowledging the divisiveness that attends it is laughable.

Agreed. And nowhere is that more true than as regards the Fed (read: The Money).
Shining a light into their pocketbook (the Fed) is unthinkable to them; terrifying is not hyperbole here, yeah?

Paul is the only candidate who is Truly a candidate for "the people". I say that with conviction.
The others, Obama, Romney, Perry, can be tied to special interests -- and I'm including their respective parties as special interests.

As for arguing with LM, someone needs to explain to him that his position is not liberal - it's fascist.

I find it pitiable (and frightening) that people are so inured to the concept that they cannot survive without govt interventions in their lives...and especially in the lives of others (lol).

To his ilk I'll repeat as often as needed our first precept, our "prime directive":

We hold these truths to be self-evident:
that ALL (Humans) ....are endowed... with certain UNALIENABLE (as in cannot be separated by law from the human) Rights, that among these are

1. Life,
2. Liberty (AKA FREEDOM) and
3. the pursuit (NOT GUARANTEE) of Happiness.

This is the resultant conclusion of the Age of Enlightenment; it is the foundation of Liberalism and our Constitution -- the most Liberal document ever crafted by man.

One simply cannot, with any honesty, call oneself a Liberal and not hold fast to or support this precept.

Neither can one call oneself a Conservative without determining to conserve that principle.

 

Yeah...now if they will just ask him a blasted question!
and hopefully about immigration. He has the best immigration plan, bar none.

 

Fascism is a far cry from what our government is or where it wants to go, that is the product of fear mongering by the right wing.

The government knows best when it imposes restrictions because they are responsible and from one of the examples from our friend goslash if the toilets were made to allow for high flow it would be costly to our water and filtration systems because it would be more costly to clean more water for the public and also this is not considering the times of drought when the water levels are low.

Government also has to impose restrictions on food as well because people will eat themselves to death as they are doing and its expensive to the health care systems. The people must be controlled by the government because they are inherently irresponsible.

 

Take your blinders off, Mussolini won the war; this has been a fascist country for decades.

I can start the thread if you are willing to debate the matter.

 

Yeah. "Responsible". Like when they "responsibly" blew half a billion dollars on a company they knew was gonna fail because the main investor had political connections to the President. Or how the ATF "responsibly" allowed the Mexican drug cartels to purchase guns in a "sting operation" that they never bothered to track. Or how the administration "responsibly" pressured an Admiral to change his testimony to help approve a system that they knew would shut down the GPS system.
I think we've had quite enough of your big government "responsibility".

As long as we're on this authoritarian "responsibility" kick, perhaps you can tell me who was held "responsible" when the FEC was too busy surfing for internet porn to bust Bernie Madoff while he was busy crashing our entire economy?
Federal government is long on authority, but notoriously short on responsibility.

 

The government shouldn't be scrutinized with a fine tooth comb right now because the republicans are blocking proper funding measures for it to be efficient in its duties.

For example the ATF and FEC are still under funded and were even more so during the Bush administration because his policies favored state governments more than federal government programs.

This is seen from the result of the limited bailout to the sting operation involving the stolen guns, both times the republicans blocked the appropriate amount of tax money for a fully functional initiative.

 

There is never a time or reason when "the government shouldn't be scrutinized with a fine tooth comb".

Hell, it's your g-d civic duty to do so!!!By the People for the People...helloooo...​

Am I to assume you are not prepared to support this statement?

 

If only those who behaved so irresponsibly had *more* money? Really??
Yeah. Maybe the fine folks down at the SEC could've gotten the premium package, thus enhancing their porn download speeds. Maybe the ATF could've gotten the cartels AK-47s instead of SKSs....
/this is pathetic...

 

Michael Bloomburg

 

Ran across this article by a couple of Dem pollsters.

hmmm....if Paul continues to win each state's straw poll, fill his campaign coffers, get national face time, define the fiscal debate, and call for troops to come home, but does not get the Rep nod in the end, could Inds and TEA partiers carry him into a third party bid?

He's done it before, "and the conditions in those years were nowhere near as severe as they are today".

It would be a very interesting race; the risks enormous, but that's the nature of it, the risk flames the interest.

edit: heehehe and we'd know our neo-cons by election day fo' sho

 

it always happens its political sabotage by the republicans, deny the money needed to be efficient so the program looks like a failure

the bailout was treated like this being not enough to have the intended impact to the ATF program not being funded enough to prevent mishaps. health care reform did not go far enough and it looks like another government failure because they won't allow more money into the system.

 

yeah, I am gonna go there: This post is an epic fail.

You want more money for programs? Tell the frickin' bureaucrats to stop paying $16 for muffins!

@$32 a pop, how about they start with their own dam diets?!

Physician, heal thyself.

I mean really, LM, how can you put that much faith into any entity that is so inherently flawed?!
Free your mind, and the rest will follow.

 

In Vietnam the word was, "Get 'em by the balls and their Hearts and Minds will follow!"

 

I'm sure that there are people who agree with you... somewhere...

I'm just not one of them. What I'm seeing here is the result of corruption, malfeasance, incompetence, and dereliction of duty, not lack of funding. When the Obama administration guaranteed half a billion dollars in loans to a company they *knew* wasn't sound, it wasn't because they "didn't have enough money". The most charitable thing one could say is that they had *too much* money. More realistically, it was a political payoff to a crony.
When the ATF was funneling weapons to the Mexican drug cartels, it wasn't happening because "there wasn't enough money", but *at best* because the agents were incompetent. More realistically, they were directed to allow the sales.
When the White House directed Gen. Shelton to change his Congressional testimony about LightSquared, it wasn't because they "didn't have enough money", it was because Philip Falcone is a major investor and Obama bundler.

That excuse is finished. This administration has gone through money like Charlie Sheen on a crack binge. The failures are a result of incompetence and criminal behavior.

 

He may personally be against those things, but he would not enforce his beliefs on the country. Pay attention.