Five more American soldiers killed in Afghanistan by "friendly fire".

Our obviously superior, 21st-Century technologies and battlefield doctrines of command, control, computers, intelligence, blah blah blah, have merely continued the misery of our presence in this hopelessly corrupt, utterly useless Islamo-hellhole: http://online.wsj.com/articles/five-coalition-troops-killed-in-afghanistan-1402387767

We don't even have to wait for the inevitability of more U. S. troops being killed by the Taliban, al Qaeda, et al... no, we can do it ourselves, even with our wonderful battlefield intelligence, uninterrupted communication, satellite reconnaissance, and "eyes and ears everywhere" technologies. Think it's going to end this year? Think it's going to end in 2016? We are led by a lawbreaking LIAR, a despot who rules us with "a pen and a phone", and who does whatever the hell he pleases....

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/obama-karzai-ink-partnership-deal/
https://www.commondreams.org/headline/2012/05/02-6
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/may/09/afghanistan-hamid-karzai-us-nine-bases-withdrawal

 

So Obama killed them? It's truly amazing how much he is responsible for according to posts of these boards. It appears that literally nothing is beyond his power to control.

 

You liberals made Obama the Commander-in-Chief. And then you compounded your folly by re-electing him!

Obama blew his mouth off, non-stop, back in 2008 about how he was going to end all this American madness in Iraq and Afghanistan. Well, we got our asses summarily thrown out of Iraq, and now it's in a state of civil war. And, we've got this mess in Afghanistan that Obama has agreed to continue until 2024 (not a typo). These things were definitely under his control, and we wouldn't have had any American soldiers in Afghanistan to be killed if it weren't for Obama. Or is there some way you want to blame this continuing useless misery of American soldiers in Afghanistan in 2014 on the ghost of George Bush...?

How much time does your Messiah need to work his "miracles"...?!

 

RIP to these young people who fought for our country. So sad. As far as blaming Obama? Ridiculous.

 

I'm a Libertarian. I cannot recall ever voting for any Democrat or Republican at any point ever.

And before he leaves office we will be out of both places. We never should have been in either to begin with. But that was pretty cleary not his doing.

As an atheist I am completely bereft of Messiahs.

 

Too early to speculate on cause, but typically a 9 liner CAS brief is given to the pilot, and he or she is required to have the target in sight before weapons delivery. Given a blue on blue scenario involving five soldiers (RIP), my best guess is this was a close air support mission gone wrong.

9-line brief

1. Initial Point
2. Heading
3. Distance
4. Target Elevation
5. Target Description
6. Target Location
7. Mark type
8. Friendlies
9. Egress

 

You must have slept through 2008...he promised to focus on Afghanistan and ending Iraq

 

I loathe President Obama as few others do (not actually hating him just his administration) but these kinds of friendly fire deaths are pretty common in the military. They have been for centuries.

When Spanish soldiers finally stormed the Alamo, several of them stabbed each other during the confusion.

 

Pat Tillman was killed by friendly fire. And despite all the technology, this sort of thing happens. sorry, but you cannot put this on the feet the the President because the mistakes that led to this were the men and women on the ground, in the air, and possibly on the sea. Nothing more, nothing less.

 

Beat the heck out of making McSame the CIC, we would be in WWIII by now.

 

No kidding. That dude loves him some war. When was the last time he didn't want to send troops somewhere?

 

Anywhere is good by him, by this time we would be trading nukes with Russia, the guy is a nutcase when it comes to using the military.

 

Hmm...lots of conservatives voted for Obama too, unless you think the majority of the country is liberal.

We left Iraq, what that country does is up to them now. Just think if we'd never gone there in the first place...and yes, you're damn right I blame Bush for that one. That is 100% his fault. So is Afghanistan. BTW, didn't Obama just say we're drawing down? Oh why yes, he did:

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/05/28/w...pullout-by-end-of-2016-obama-to-say.html?_r=0

Next.

 

Isn't this the same Obama who said this in 2008 about Afghanistan, ""We need a sense of urgency and determination. We need urgency because the threat from the Taliban and al Qaeda is growing and we must act; we need determination because it will take time to prevail. But with the right strategy and the resources to back it up, we will get the job done." Here we are six years later and the only thing Obama's policy is good at is trading 5 high ranking Taliban officers for a Pfc. deserter and making more American soldiers targets in a shooting gallery. Friendly fire has been around for as long a warfare has, but evidently we haven't learned much of anything to prevent it from happening. But one thing is for sure, if you don't have your soldiers in places where it is stupid and dangerous for them to be in the first place, then stupid and dangerous things won't happen to them!

 

73% of casualties have occurred under Obama - probably to a large degree because of his highly restrictive Rules of Engagement. Although probably not in this instance, Obama is responsible for U.S. soldiers being killed.

 

It's Obama's fault also.

I know so, because I watch Fox.

 

Focusing on it means fighting it instead of putting on the back burner which is what Dubya did, and he is ending it, had someone such as McSame been elected we would be there forever along with a whole lot of other countries, including Syria and the Ukraine. They have killed a whole lot of Terrorist and Taliban not to mention getting OBL, nope didn't do a thing except what were were supposed to be there for.

 

You are probably a lib and I don't like to agree with libs, but with respect to McStain I strongly agree with you.

 

Nope it is because we are actually fighting there under Obama, Dubya got side tracked with his need to go into Iraq for some reason or another and put Afganistan in a holding pattern. ALL Presidents are responsible for soldiers getting killed in wars they have to conduct, but as with Vietnam and Republican Presidents, Obama did not start the wars he is fighting, he was stuck cleaning up the mess left behind, seems he has been having to deal with a lot of messes left behind by the last guy.

 

Depends on the topic/issue, stuck in the middle it is not always fun on these sorts of boards. Good, the guy made me nervous when he ran in 2008 and I could not even believe the GOP would select him to be their guy, since then the many comments he has made when it comes to getting involved in conflicts has proven that I was correct in being concerned about his policies, the guy is a loose cannon.

 

Stop the puerile nonsense. All potuses are.

 

The way you edited (in your quote) what I said changed the meaning which no doubt was your intention. How about addressing what I actually said which was the Obama overly restrictive Rules of Engagement have gotten soldiers killed. Rather than argue that the Obama COIN is not a failed strategy you just bleat something about "puerile nonsense" as if U.S. soldiers being needlessly killed is puerile. How do you libs think WWII would have turned out if soldiers had to get authorization every time a weapon was fired or a bomb dropped.

Here is an example of the "weapons" with which Obama wants our soldiers to "fight" with. I guess if someone comes up behind you in a VIED all you need to do is defend yourself with a flashlight.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gwQgLfAPk0o

Rather than bomb the enemy (per Obama) we can just swoop down on them and make them scatter (without dropping bombs).
https://call2.army.mil/docs/doc5806/10-11.pdf

 

Obama? "Stuck with it"? For FIVE YEARS? The entire involvement of the United States in World War II, from start to finish didn't take FIVE YEARS! But now Libs are more than willing to go back further than that to blame the whole failure of Afghanistan and Iraq on Bush, but give Obama a pass -- even though he didn't do anything of SUBSTANCE for FIVE YEARS?! What the hell is the matter with you people? Do you realize that on top of everything else, Obama's slimy deals with Karzai are going to keep us mired in Afghanistan until 2024? I've been posting it, over and over, with links, for months, and it's in this thread, too. How many more soldiers are we going to lose to "friendly" fire and every other kind between now and ten freaking years from now?!

And, since somebody brought up Iraq... take a look at what a resounding successful end Obama's policies are bringing to that tragedy: http://www.nytimes.com/2014/06/11/world/middleeast/militants-in-mosul.html?_r=0 .. Question: who was President of the United States when we were summarily kicked out of Iraq? The story is from today, people. Mosul is the second-largest city in Iraq!

 

Of course he is. I've learned on these boards that he is the most powerful person in the history of the world. It's all his fault. And by all, I mean ALL.

 

Bush ordered a fair and logical retaliation against the Taliban for their active part in 9/11. He used air power to blast the hell out of them and then seized Kabul with ground forces. So far so good. Then he pretty much sat on his hands and did nothing for years. Then along comes Obama who gets a lot more soldiers killed in many more pointless missions, and then shows the Taliban his big Surrender flag. Obama should have shut the whole thing in Afghanistan down in his first year in office. Because he didn't the whole thing is turning into a big bloody disgrace, and it will cost us dearly in lives and billions more wasted on this (*)(*)(*)(*) hole.