Fluoride on Trial

Discussion in 'Latest US & World News' started by phoenyx, Oct 3, 2020.

  1. phoenyx

    phoenyx Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Feb 23, 2013
    Messages:
    938
    Likes Received:
    294
    Trophy Points:
    63

    I agree that all this refined sugar isn't doing us any good. It's good that we at least recognize that ads like the ones above were just plain bad. I feel confident that one day, people will look back at water fluoridation the same way as we look at those ads above or doctors promoting cigarette smoking.
     
    Eleuthera and FreshAir like this.
  2. modernpaladin

    modernpaladin Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Apr 23, 2017
    Messages:
    28,059
    Likes Received:
    21,341
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    The very small electrical current in the human body can ionize certain chemicals onto your teeth to rebuild them, similar to electro-plating jewelry. Your teeth are supposed to be made of calcium and phosphorous and a few other trace elements that used to be commonly found in food (but often isn't now that we have such a highly processed diet). Fluoride can be ionized or 'plated' onto the teeth, and it inhibits bacterial growth (because its a poison). However, it can also unbalance pH levels, screw with hormone production and generally reduce your body's sbility to operate properly on a chemical level, so it could be ultimately making the problem worse for some people.

    Its also noteworthy that the calcium fluoride originally found to help teeth occurs naturally, while what is added to our water is sodium fluoride or hydrofluorosilicic acid, which is an industrial waste product, or was before we started putting it in toothpaste and drinking water....
     
    Last edited: Oct 3, 2020
    Collateral Damage and Eleuthera like this.
  3. FreshAir

    FreshAir Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Mar 2, 2012
    Messages:
    151,392
    Likes Received:
    63,517
    Trophy Points:
    113
    I am referring to place that add fluoride to water, that is not natural
     
  4. kungfuliberal

    kungfuliberal Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Aug 16, 2017
    Messages:
    3,616
    Likes Received:
    1,073
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    Bottom line: your dentist applies a fluoride mix to clean your teeth once every so often....NOT to be taken internally.

    Currently, OCT mouthwashes that rebuild/strengthen enamel stress that YOU DO NOT EAT OR DRINK FOR AT LEAST 1/2 HOUR AFTER USAGE.

    This is why I never did buy into the diluted fluoride in our drinking water as "harmless", as it's an accumulation over a period of years that has to be tested. Early test didn't take into account whether in the populations tested one had overall better access to dentistry than the other.
     
  5. phoenyx

    phoenyx Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Feb 23, 2013
    Messages:
    938
    Likes Received:
    294
    Trophy Points:
    63

    Sorry Moi, but I don't always want to quote everything a person says. Perhaps if I added a [snip] you'd be good? Anyway, since you seem to have issue with your quotes getting excerpted and the above one isn't too long, I'll keep the whole thing this time around.

    Anyway, that's great that you read what I cited. You then make the suggestion that someone paid for the research and seem to suggest that this hypothetical someone is up to no good. It's easy to speculate, much harder to come up with evidence. Anyway, I have a feeling that the reason that it's harder to find things like your sparkletts fluoridated water is because the science behind the harms of fluoride in water. If it's true that fluoride is more harmful than helpful, I think you'd agree that no one should be ingesting it, whether in water or in other ways. As it stands now, if you live in a city with fluoridated water as I do, you're ingesting it whether you like it or not in showers, perhaps gargling with it a bit and if you don't think it's worth getting non fluoridated bottled water like I do, or don't have some combination of the money/time/energy to do so, you'd be drinking a lot of the unwanted stuff as well. Where's the freedom of choice there?
     
  6. phoenyx

    phoenyx Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Feb 23, 2013
    Messages:
    938
    Likes Received:
    294
    Trophy Points:
    63
    Good point. And there are others. Here's an excerpt from a Salon article:
    **
    As things stands, the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) has set an advisory limit of 0.7 parts of fluoride per million parts of water as the optimum level to help prevent tooth decay while avoiding other problems associated with excessive fluoride exposure. These include dental fluorosis—which can lead to severe staining of the teeth, enamel erosion and pitting—and at much higher exposure levels skeletal fluorosis, a disease associated with joint pain, fractures and the bone disorder osteosclerosis.
    **

    Full article: The government may soon be forced to stop adding fluoride to drinking water | Salon
     
    FreshAir and kungfuliberal like this.
  7. James California

    James California Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Nov 25, 2019
    Messages:
    11,344
    Likes Received:
    11,479
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    ~ Drink some Colgate [​IMG]
     
  8. phoenyx

    phoenyx Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Feb 23, 2013
    Messages:
    938
    Likes Received:
    294
    Trophy Points:
    63
    Some very good points there for sure- for instance, that fluoride is a poison and some others that I wasn't aware of. And it's still an industrial waste product, it's just that industry gets to sell it as something that's beneficial now. I've seen an article on this in the past and I just found another now:
    **
    Fluoride: How A Toxic Poison Ended Up In Our Water Supply

    Around 1945, local water treatment facilities began to add sodium fluoride to our water supply.

    The first thing you should know is that the fluoride they put in our drinking water is not a pharmaceutical grade additive.

    It is an industrial waste byproduct.

    As aluminum production increased in the first half of the twentieth century, it became necessary to find somewhere to put the fluoride. Manufacturers could no longer dump it into rivers or landfills, because it was poisoning crops and making livestock sick. Francis Frary, chief scientist for ALCOA, had an idea. He commissioned Gerald Cox at the Mellon Institute, to conduct research regarding the benefits of adding fluoride to the water supply. The Mellon Institute was frequently hired by big business to produce research that supported their industries, and for several decades they produced research showing that asbestos was safe and did not cause cancer. Hmmm.

    They also produced reports assuring everyone that fluoride was not toxic and would be beneficial to add to our drinking water for healthy teeth.

    Another proponent of the safety of fluoride at that time was scientist Harold Hodge, who was later revealed to to have been part of the the Human Radiation Experiment; injecting test subjects with plutonium and uranium in 1945-46. This was documented by pulitzer prize winning reporter Eileen Welsonne in The Plutonium Files.

    Hodge was also chief toxicologist of The Manhattan Project and fluoride was a key component in the production of the atom bomb. His studies were conducted with a bias toward proving fluoride safe, which would protect the government and industry from lawsuits.

    The “research science” done to support water fluoridation was underwritten by these massive companies:
    Aluminum Company of America (ALCOA)
    Aluminum Company of Canada
    American Petroleum Institute
    Dupont
    Kaiser Aluminum
    Reynolds Steel
    US Steel
    National Institute of Dental Research

    Convincing the general public that we need to add fluoride to our water supply was one of the most sophisticated cons of all time. It created a multi-billion dollar industry and enabled manufacturers to sell this worthless toxic byproduct of aluminum to local municipalities for a profit.

    PR master Edward Bernays also known as “The Father of Spin” created the PR campaign to sell fluoride to the nation as an additive “recommended by your doctor and dentist for healthy teeth”. He was a pioneer of modern propaganda and used the theories of mass psychology and persuasion to suit the needs of corporate and political organizations.

    Bernays even created marketing campaigns for tobacco companies using the doctor and dentist endorsement, like the one on the right.
    [​IMG]
    **

    Full article here: Fluoride: How A Toxic Poison Ended Up In Our Water Supply | chrisbeatcancer.com
     
  9. phoenyx

    phoenyx Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Feb 23, 2013
    Messages:
    938
    Likes Received:
    294
    Trophy Points:
    63
    Don't give her ideas :p.
     
  10. James California

    James California Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Nov 25, 2019
    Messages:
    11,344
    Likes Received:
    11,479
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    :brushteeth: "Be true to your teeth or they will be false to you ! "
    ~ Sidney Garfield DDS
     
  11. modernpaladin

    modernpaladin Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Apr 23, 2017
    Messages:
    28,059
    Likes Received:
    21,341
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    yup
     
  12. Derideo_Te

    Derideo_Te Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Oct 3, 2015
    Messages:
    50,653
    Likes Received:
    41,718
    Trophy Points:
    113
    So all you have is a BLOG? :eek:

    https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/quackwatch/

    https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/mercola/

    In essence your BLOGGER did a poor job of researching Quackwatch which is hardly surprising since he is in the SAME business as Mr Mercola when it comes to selling so called "nutritional supplements".

    https://www.raysahelian.com/index.html

    And then there is this LETTER from the FDA about YOUR blogger's supplements VIOLATING the law.

    https://quackwatch.org/cases/fdawar...etters-about-products-2006/physicianformulas/

    Since your blogger claims to be a Medical Doctor he should KNOW that he is in VIOLATION of the LAW when he makes FALSE claims such as those stipulated above.

    That is STRIKE TWO!
     
    Sallyally, bigfella and Phyxius like this.
  13. Phyxius

    Phyxius Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Oct 24, 2015
    Messages:
    15,965
    Likes Received:
    21,593
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    This OP and video bring to mind another video:

     
    Sallyally likes this.
  14. Poohbear

    Poohbear Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Jul 4, 2018
    Messages:
    7,695
    Likes Received:
    2,310
    Trophy Points:
    113
    It's not just fluoride, there are movements against vaccines, traditional medicine, nuclear power,
    gas, coal, hydro, timber, fisheries, mining, irrigation, dams, airports, freeways, science in general,
    big business, any business, standard education and the like.
    As for me - I am opposed to air bags and seat belts.
    You can see where all this is going, I hope.
     
    Last edited: Oct 4, 2020
  15. phoenyx

    phoenyx Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Feb 23, 2013
    Messages:
    938
    Likes Received:
    294
    Trophy Points:
    63
    That reminds me of a line I heard a while ago- there is fiction in your truth, and truth in your fiction. Don't be afraid to look into things that the mainstream media assures us is fine.
     
  16. phoenyx

    phoenyx Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Feb 23, 2013
    Messages:
    938
    Likes Received:
    294
    Trophy Points:
    63
    Ah yes, mediabiasfactcheck. A medical journalist friend of mine did an article exposing some rather interesting links that many of these alleged fact checkers have to certain organizations. On Mediabiasfactcheck, she had this to say:
    **
    Media Bias/Fact Check has long been launching bogus attacks. And in addition, the Media Bias/Fact Check website says it has “chosen the IFCN [International Fact Checking Network] as our standard fact-checkers because they all abide by the same rules. This is important, as the standards are high.”

    Note, however, that IFCN is funded by the likes of the Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation (see below).

    [snip]

    At 21:57 in the video, and in this link in the show notes, of The Corbett Report’s June 19 podcast episode exposing the glaring conflicts of interest in the fact-checking industry, host James Corbett reveals that IFCN’s major funders include George Soros-backed organizations and the Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation.

    **

    Full article:
    Fact-Checking a “Fact-Checker”: A Response to HealthFeedback.org | Off Guardian
     
  17. Steady Pie

    Steady Pie Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Oct 15, 2012
    Messages:
    24,509
    Likes Received:
    7,250
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    I drink rain water anyway so I don't have a horse in this fight.
     
  18. phoenyx

    phoenyx Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Feb 23, 2013
    Messages:
    938
    Likes Received:
    294
    Trophy Points:
    63
    What if that weren't an option for you? Would you be fine with drinking fluoridated water?
     
  19. Steady Pie

    Steady Pie Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Oct 15, 2012
    Messages:
    24,509
    Likes Received:
    7,250
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    Me personally? Yes. But I have no desire to push it on anyone else. I use toothpaste, but if you don't want to so be it, it's not my problem if your teeth rot.
     
  20. Derideo_Te

    Derideo_Te Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Oct 3, 2015
    Messages:
    50,653
    Likes Received:
    41,718
    Trophy Points:
    113
    :roflol:

    Your "sources" have so much "credibility" given that Rosemary Frei is one of the Covid Conspiracy whackadoodles.

    https://twitter.com/rosemaryfreito/status/1278801579450216448

    https://twitter.com/rosemaryfreito/status/1260277889330749449?lang=en

    https://m.facebook.com/GlobalResearchCRG/posts/3205674156111029?locale2=sw_KE

    :roflol:
     
  21. wgabrie

    wgabrie Well-Known Member Donor

    Joined:
    May 31, 2011
    Messages:
    13,923
    Likes Received:
    3,088
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    Our diet has too much processed sugar? And that is why we have cavities now a days? But what about our ancestors who also had teeth cleaning brushes and dental tools? I don't think that it's possible to have a diet which doesn't rot out our teeth. So, you know, toothbrushes all around!
     
  22. phoenyx

    phoenyx Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Feb 23, 2013
    Messages:
    938
    Likes Received:
    294
    Trophy Points:
    63
    Ok, I just wanted to see what you felt about fluoridated water. As to toothpaste, I use it, just not one with fluoride in it.
     
  23. phoenyx

    phoenyx Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Feb 23, 2013
    Messages:
    938
    Likes Received:
    294
    Trophy Points:
    63
    Rosemary sometimes has a bit of a penchant for stating certain beliefs she has as facts. That being said, her article researching various fact checkers was an eye opener for me. Essentially, it seems that many so called fact checkers are in fact more like propaganda arms of certain large corporate interests posing as charities, such as the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation. But don't take my word for it, take a look at her article for yourself:
    Fact-Checking a “Fact-Checker”: A Response to HealthFeedback.org | Off Guardian
     
    Eleuthera likes this.
  24. phoenyx

    phoenyx Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Feb 23, 2013
    Messages:
    938
    Likes Received:
    294
    Trophy Points:
    63
    I use a toothbrush and toothpaste without fluoride or sls, but there's more to it than that. Honestly, I think I probably need to know more about it by reading links like the one below:
    How to Reverse Cavities Naturally & Heal Tooth Decay | Dr. Axe
     
  25. One Mind

    One Mind Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Sep 26, 2014
    Messages:
    20,296
    Likes Received:
    7,744
    Trophy Points:
    113
    This deal with fluoride in water has been around for decades. No one fixes it.

    And it has its own tin foil hat crowd.. Nazi origin.
     
    Eleuthera likes this.

Share This Page