For All Who Live in Social Medicine Countries

As long as food additives like BVO and hormones are not allowed outside the USA we people, living with working (you call it commuinist oder socialised) healthcare, don't listen but keep living healthier than you, thanks.

 

Well whatever you want to believe, I've joined a "health" group formed in UK, and talk about a bunch of sick, depressed, want to die members, unbelievable...

 

Your opinion - wonder what they thought of you?

 

I really don't Care what they think of me. I know what I think of me...

 

Good, now please stop “shouting”. All caps and bold are the Internet equivalent of shouting

 

You don’t need to attack people in the UK because posters on this thread are not in agreement with you.

I have seen miserable Americans on health sites as well as well as other countries. Being sick and depressed is not unique to the UK. Many people join health sites to try to improve their health because they aren’t well. Unfortunately, having GSE, Zinc, vitamin C and such pushed down one’s throat is not helpful. Many are looking for support, not admonishment for not taking on somebody else’s choices of what they believe has helped them.

Why don’t you discuss the issue at hand instead of shouting.

It’s really off-putting to have somebody demand you ‘step out of your closed box’ and being told to go to a health food store. What does this have to do with living in a country with Socialized Medicine? A strong immune system has very little to do with the vitamins and supplements one chooses to buy and take.

 

Bower: All Caps, what are you talking about????

 

Both all caps and bold are considered to be “shouting”

 

There’s a difference between miracle cure and insufficient plasma concentration of vit. C. There is certainly a place for supplementation. Consider 40% of the US population has suboptimal plasma concentrations of vit. C.

https://www.mdpi.com/2072-6643/13/11/3910



As US and other global inhabitants become more obese, vit. C deficiency becomes more problematic on average. There is also quite a bit of difference in adequacy levels between races, sexes, and economic classes. Vitamin C isn’t something to dismiss just because it doesn’t cure cancer.

 

Who wants everlasting life anyway?
Best to hope for a pain free death.

 

Not in the world - the children are gettting more and more obese in the USA. When expats experience life outside the US (that means living ther and not hopping through 12 countries in 4 days), they reguarly get sick when they return: Highly processed food with tons of additives, salt, sugar, and fat while fresh, healthy food, such and simple oranges oder bell peppers are three to four times more expensvie than overseas.

Fresh food is the best source for vitamins, and therefore it should fit in the bugdet of all Americans, shouldn't it? Or are one of those star-spangled heros that call an incarcerated man free, just because he's incarcerated in the USA?

 

LOL. I agree eating habits in the US are terrible. But it’s the consumer’s choice for the most part. There is outside influence of course. Our government essentially caused our obesity epidemic by promoting carbohydrate based diets while discouraging consumption of high quality fats and proteins.

But I can tell you from experience, it’s still a choice. I grew up WAY below the poverty line and ate very healthy as a child. Didn’t have anything to do with money—my parents just made a conscious choice to feed us well.

Let’s examine your claim this is only a problem in the US.

https://www.theguardian.com/comment...-obesity-emergency-is-poverty-type-2-diabetes

https://www.euronews.com/health/2023/12/20/europes-growing-obesity-crisis-which-countries-have-the-most-and-least-overweight-populati#:~:text=Among the 18 EU countries,17 per cent in 2018.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC9107388/#:~:text=The worldwide prevalence of obesity has nearly tripled between 1975,reached pandemic dimensions [14].

You are new here. You’ll learn quickly you can’t blow smoke up my ***. I have little use for unsubstantiated opinions. I much prefer actual data and evidence produced through application of the scientific method.

Fresh food is absolutely the best source of nutrients of all classes from macro to micro. But in the absence of the best source by choice or by circumstances (obesity being one example), supplementation is far better than suboptimal serum levels.

I’m just a guy who prefers facts to unsubstantiated opinions. I’m just a guy who helps others understand what the consequences of their choices are and attempts to correct dangerous misinformation and disinformation like what you are peddling above about obesity not being a problem outside the US.

Oh, and I’m a US citizen who tried to get others to eat healthy and exercise throughout the pandemic as that’s the best protection from disease of all kinds including Covid. And I’m a US citizen who regularly criticizes the FACT we allow slavery practiced by the government. When we amended the Constitution to end slavery by citizens, we intentionally retained the right of governments to practice slavery. That’s one reason so many are incarcerated here. This country was intended to protect personal freedom, but we have fallen far short of that.

What makes you think I see myself as a star spangled hero? Be specific. I’m not a fan of fallacious arguments. You make assertions like that I’ll ask you to back them up with evidence! Go….

Oh, one last thing. I’m one of just a couple practicing socialists on PF, so there is that…

 

To make long things short: You've been raised in former times. Today it's a whole lot different. Fresh, healthy food has become extremly expensive, while convenience highly processed food is cheap in comparison.

You've been raised in former times, when it was seen as bad habit NOT to eat together as a family having fresh cooked dishes. Today it's normal to eat while driving.

 

You think I’m not familiar with grocers today? Three pounds of oranges can he had for less than a pound of Froot Loops.

A gallon of drinking water at Wal mart is $1.00-$1.40. A gallon of Wal mart brand soda is $2.68.

A 24 Oz. carton of cottage cheese is $2.67. A 13 Oz bag of potato chips is $3.18.

A 16 Oz bag of slaw (shredded cabbage) is $1.98. A 16 Oz box of Little Debbie oatmeal creme pies $2.68.


Again you are positing an unsubstantiated opinion that happens to be patently false. Eating any of the above foods while driving, while alone, or as a family has no bearing on the FACT it’s more economical to eat a healthy diet. I don’t know where you get your information but you done been snookered.

 

Okay. The coleslaw (believe me, I know English), which is also a part of my diet, contains 3.5 tsp of sugar per portion, benzodiamide, artificial colors, with have been forbidden outside the US, even EDTA (which is really unheard of outside the US), sodium erythorbate, propylene glycol, and the infamous corn syrup. You have to be pretty naiv if you think this copuld be part of a healty diet - although the alternative, the dreme pies, are even worse. But that's not the point. On Walmart's website a single bell pepper, not even organic quality, is priced with 1.48 $ before taxes. Tomatoes 2.98 $ 10 ounces, apples .082$ per unit.

And this is crazy. Normal, unprocessed foods are more expensive than highly processed food. Yes, other countries also have problems with obesiety, but the USA is the greatest in this discipline, outperforming other countries by far.

And if you still think it's only the fats' fault: How for God's sake are other countries' people smarter?

 

Ever get tired of being wrong? Cabbage and carrots. LOL




Now, want to guess what country has the lowest overall cost of food as percentage of income? Yep. It’s the US.



And poor folks here get EBT cards to spend on food. They CHOOSE to buy cookies instead of bell peppers when the price is irrelevant because it’s all no cost to them.

On average, as I’ve shown numerous examples, unprocessed foods are less expensive than processed.

Please show where I’ve said it’s only about fats? You are making things up again. I said this.

Please provide evidence people outside the US are smarter. That’s a new claim I’ve never heard. Can you substantiate it? As far as I know it depends on what is measured and how. It’s a bit subjective.

You are outside the US and you’ve been incorrect on every claim so far. So there is that measurement.

 

Dear 552, you think you are the starspangled superhero just because you're American and I'm not: Have a fine time in God's most cozy bubble.

 

It’s 557, not 552. Wrong again.

Please provide evidence I think I’m a star spangled superhero! I’ve pointed out we are a fat country with institutional slavery and a government that encourages poor health! What is superhero about that?

Since I’m the one in this conversation that knows FACTS about Europe/the world and the US while you have posted misinformation about BOTH, it seems you may be the one in a bubble.

Hang onto those unsubstantiated preconceived opinions. That way you can resort to ad hominem fallacy when you are shown to be incorrect.

Your posts are full of misinformation and disinformation. It doesn’t matter where we live. Your information and beliefs are not based on evidence. My posts are based on evidence. See the difference? Has nothing to do with geographical location.