Forget global warming - it's Cycle 25 we need to worry about

Thats Ok dude, you can throw darts all day, thats what libs do best anyway.

Show me something that says throwing money at a problem thats beyond our control will fix it. Show me something that says we actually have the power to reduce global CO2 levels by any, any significant amount. Then tell me why I want to reduce global CO2, because in the last hundred years, it hasn't risen that much and I see no reason to worry about a few ppm one way or the other. Thats of coarse unless Al Gore is your Uncle and you believe the polar caps will be gone in 20 years....which is rediculus on it's own.

Take away every automobile on the planet, and I doubt you would lower CO2 levels by any significant amount. Even if you did lower it say 100 ppm, what would that change besides alot of people being out of work and my wallet lighter ?

 

I already answered all of that twice that. What is the point to repeat ignoring my answers?

Agwists demonstrate that for them
-Answer is not answer
-Question is not question
-Data is not data
-If I ask the same question as Hemingway it is loaded but when Hemingway asks the same question it is not loaded
-Yes is not Yes.
-and so endlessly

I hope any honest and decent person can see that.

I quoted your own thoughts in a column one under another.
If you were not lying, you would have no need in continuous attempts to insult and twist and insinuate. The truth does need such arguments, but a lie does
I hope any honest and decent person can see that.

You have not come up with any new thought or data or an argument.

I hope any honest and decent person knows that.


I hope many people know what Hemingway means when he formulates that fascism as a lie told by bullies, because many either were bullies or were bulled or at least observed both. They can recognize bulling behind all these rolling and piling insults, behind a need to belong to an overwhelming majority and to act along the overwhelming majority under a fear to be bulled or as the only way to gain at least some self respect or an illusion of such.

Bullies are nobodies, it does not matter how a bully calls himself National Academy of Science National Research Council or the overwhelming majority, he is still a zero, nobody, a coward.

This is basic truth, basic life experience. I hope many people share it with Hemingway and me.

I hope it is common understanding that since you cannot come with any new thought or an argument, I may be forgiven for repeating the same answer.

 

You gave somebody 20K to buy approximately 200 barrels of oil and burn it in order to tell me that you feel good about reducing your personal carbon footprint (whatever this delusional print can mean for you) and still warming up air around you. I wish you’d be more considerate about how I feel breathing fumes of burned 200 barrels of oil mutiplied by number of print reducers (whatever this delusional print can mean for them.).

 

I'm not sure what your point is.

Methane melts at 90.7K, Titan has lakes of liquid methane, therefore warmer than 90.7K. That is cold, but still being warmed by the sun, even at 9X the distance from the sun.

If the sun's radiation increased, the temperature of Titan, and the other planets would increase. If their percentage of warming, is approximately the same as the Earth, then the source has to be the Sun.

 

still nada, you offer nothing but your admittance of your scientific ignorance on the issue...a new tactic from the denier world "I don't know anything so therefore I must be right" well if it works for you DUDE, not exactly up to fifth grader standards of critical thinking though...

 

In my opinion, "conduits to markets" can be a natural public sector monopoly with sufficient scale economy. Energy, potable and waste water management, and industrial waste management are examples. There is no reason why that physical infrastructure should not be a public sector monopoly to ensure more reliable and consistent service.

Such a public sector good and service could reduce those costs to the private and act as that form of economic stimulus, instead of merely micromanaging our tax codes and not claim it is merely playing shell games with Statism.

 

How does simply reducing CO2 emissions solve for natural climate change not induced by Man?

 

You believe that not making things even worse is a bad thing?

 

it's absolutely verified it's not a natural change, it's AGW. There is no evidence it's natural, none. The pseudo-scientists and bloggers in denier fantasy land haven't come up with a single climate model that explains the warming.

 

no it's not that simple. the sun isn't the only source of heat, the earth generates it's own heat, as do many solar bodies. Air Pressure can keep elements in a liquid state rather than gas and Titan has greater air pressure than earth. Titan's atmosphere allows very little sunlight to reach the surface about 1% of what the earth receives. And here's the part you won't like to read Titan is as "warm" as it is because of a greenhouse effect, a powerful GHG Methane. The earth's methane level .000179%, Titan's is 1.6% but 4.9% in the lower levels. So it's not the sun keeping Titan warm, it's air pressure and the greenhouse effect.

 

I believe that merely playing shell games with Statism is worse than actually solving our problem, even if only by discovering more perfect knowledge of structures, such that we can create a habitat for Man, anywhere on this plane of existence.

 

Why would anyone believe that a previous Ice Age may not have been "natural"?

 

It is not about absolute solar irradiance; it is about the change in solar irradiance. A change in solar irradiance of 2w/mm has some effect on earth's climate. How much change can 0.03w/mm have on Titan?

1366 w/mm is solar irradiance; not amount "amount of warming". "Amount of warming" is dependent on the radius of the planet/moon and albedo. And because Titan is about half the radius of Earth, the effect on the climate is even less.

 

In my opinion, obtaining more perfect knowledge of structures could enable Man to harvest energy and resources from even active volcanoes.

 

What about fiber optics for use as ambient sunlight conductors? We could put some habitation on the ocean floor and conduct sunlight from the ocean surface via fiber optics to light the interiors.

 

I see 3 sources of energy for heat - tidal, nuclear, and solar. Any others?

Does Titan get any significant heat from sources other than the sun?

If Titan's temperature increased over the last 20 years, and Mar's temperature increased over that same time frame, would that indicate an increase in solar output?

http://science.nasa.gov/science-news/science-at-nasa/2003/07aug_southpole/

http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2007/02/070228-mars-warming.html

 

How realistic is it to obtain energy from pressure, such as that found at the ocean floors?

 

Q: How one who has read your words can check if he/she is a fascist no different from 10th millions who followed and died for Hitler?

A:

There are a few ways to do it.

1. If you say, - “I am not and I do not care to check, it is stupid even to suggest that I can possibly be like one of those 10th of millions, I am a homosexual Jew who was burned by them twice”, then you are.

If you believe that when I posted this statement followed by question mark:

http://www.politicalforum.com/envir...25-we-need-worry-about-27.html#post1060870790

I did not ask a question, then you are no different from those who screamed Seig Hail!

3. If you believe that my question (statement followed by question mark) is loaded and thus invalid, but you cannot say what it is loaded with, why is it loaded, then you are no different from any other Nazi.


I am sorry.

BTW, speaking about wiki education and in order to get it out of the way, it is loaded. It is loaded with false assumptions.

The question “When you stopped beating your wife?” is no different. It is EASY to point that it MAY BE loaded with 3 false assumptions
1. That you have a wife
2. you had been beating your wife
3. You stopped.

But also these 3 assumptions MAY BE true.

In either case it can be answered.

Homework: What are assumptions in the question, I am sorry, a statement followed question mark, -“What time is it”?
What are assumptions in my question?

Awgsists twist, spin, lie and pervert and bully into their lies and perversions. One does not have to be a logician by occupation to see that. One can be a plumber by occupation and decent and honest human being; and one can be a PhD by occupation and indecent and dishonest human being.

My questions are as simple as “What time is it?” and they are loaded with high explosives. As one can see Awgists neither can answer them nor can point to false assumptions; either way blows them into pieces. As one can see they twist, spin, lie and pervert basic and simple things and come together to bully the truth.

If you argue any other data with Awgists you do what they want you to do.

 

But ... the global warming theory states that the warming continues only UNTIL a tipping point for the next ice age. So it is not surprising that the warming stopped.

As for Cycle 25, my bet is on Cycle 26 instead. The average Earth temperature has always been about 20 degrees warmer than now, except a few down spikes like the one we have been for the latest 50,000(?) years. If trends are an inductive indication of a future, then we will snap back and there will be no ice caps and most of Earth will be too hot and deserty to survive at as a human. Nothing wrong with any of it, right?

 

there is NO evidence Mars is warming and here's a shocker for you Mars has seasons...and it's not the sun, solar output has been down for several dacades as temps have been rising, the two are not linked, this is not a difficult concept to understand. If the warming was directly linked to solar as you claim temps should be dropping. they're not, so it's NOT the sun.

 

it's not, far cheaper and efficient to use heat pumps sunk into land. Temperature rise at ocean bottom 10K meters only rises to 2.5c from 1.5c at 3k meters.

 

What about for necessary infrastructure and those services; with the rest, hypothetically, from a geothermal source on the ocean floor?

 

One of your links is nine years old - have you got any proof that the trend is continuing on Mars?

And you REALLY REALLY REALLY should READ the articles you posted - the 2003 article was about the Martian "summer" melting the south pole

The 2007 article was from "it's cosmic rays"Habibullo Abdussamatov

http://www.skepticalscience.com/global-warming-on-mars.htm

Add to that that the Martian "year" is twice as long as ours and a predilection for every denialist out there to scream "Mars is warming too" every time ONE of the Martian poles start melting due to change in season.........

 

Money - it is costly to do that

Cheaper by far to design tidal motors to generate electricity

 

How difficult would it be to power a base on the ocean floor to reclaim manganese nodules?