Former Israeli PM Ariel Sharon suffering kidney failure

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  1. highlander

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    The aberration that is Israel is the disease of humanity.

    The parasite that has just died should be suffering his gods wrath..... See there always good thing come to those who wait!

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  2. DrewBedson

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    You bet! Not as much as the terrorist enabling Hamas leaders who have been snuffed out though as they purposely and actively use children to attack children.

    Say, how was your vacation?
     
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    The Israeli government looked into it, and even they blamed Sharon completely for the genocide. And that's why they fired him as minister of defense. It's a historic fact. So keep your fiction out of it.

    Yes really. How about Israel accepts the right to return not based on if you are a Jew or not? Besides that a man like Desmond Tutu says Israel applies apartheid. And with him many others. I got my facts right. You're just being apologetic for a beast that commits genocide for a nation that practices apartheid. It's not some freak coincidence that Israel considers such a fanatic racist mass murderer a "hero".
     
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    The Israeli government fired Sharon because of preasure that came from organizations- some of them didnt belonged to the government, Israeli fovernment fired hi, because of preasure that turned on against the government, not cause they wanted to,.

    I live in my house with a man who lived in the years that it happened, this man is an historian of The Land of Israel and have a world wide recognition,

    Get your facts right;)

    IF you read all of my comment you didnt say that.
    read please:
    In the West Bank the Arabs have thier own schools, government, police, laws and restrictions etc. so how come Israel is an apartheid state in the West Bank?
    If Israel was an apartheid state inside of her so why in the hell you have an Arab ministers in her own government? why Israe hvae Ethiopian ministers in their government?
    Why Israel let all the Arabs and minorities in Israel to rally?

    Get you facts right before you say something wrong about Israel.
     
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    Yesterday the army decided that the Palestinians can no longer sue the military over land confiscations of their private property.

    This is Apartheid.
     
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    The Israeli government installed the Kahan Commission. And they concluded Sharon was "personal responsibility" for the genocide. That is the fact I am going with.

    You mean... the Arabs that were not ethnically cleansed.
    Fact is that Israel refuses the (international) right of return to be applied to Arabs who got ethnically cleansed by Jews. That makes it an apartheid state. Suck it up!
     
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    First of all the army cant do it, second the government need to decide that kind of things, and the government didnt do it, not yesterday and not 5 years ago,


    I didnt say that Sharon didnt got fired, I said that the Israeli government fired Sharon because of those organizations that turned on preasure against the government, the government didnt want to fire him, but they submitted to the preasure be the organizations.

    Israel dont refuses to the right of return to be applied to Arabs in Israel.
    Israel dont give to whole of the Arabs in the West Bank Israeli citizenship cause alot of them threaten the security of Israel, like England do with all of those Muslims that live inside of her (that England strengthen her treatment to Muslims) and even strengthen her migration laws, so if Isreal is an apartheid so also is England.
     
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    And I am telling you the Israeli government installed their own investigation. And their investigation concluded that Sharon is personally responsible for the genocide. That is me having my facts right. What you got, is your joke of an opinion. And its a joke, since I laugh at the idea that Israel is willing to make one of the, maybe their biggest hero of their nation personally responsible for genocide.... because of "pressure" of some NGO's. You're just in full denial that Sharon is murdering racist beast. And to think he committed genocide, ethnic cleansing and terrorism vs a specific race in the 50's as well.

    Israel very well is a complete racist nation by refusing the RIGHT to return for Arabs who want to return home... because they are Arabs. It's apartheid in your face. No question about it. This is a well known fact. What you write wont change a thing. And your comparison is a strawman... since the UK did not ethnically cleanse the muslims in the UK, hence the UK is not breaching their right of return. A person like Desmond Tute is not just making the comparison of Apartheid either. And you bet your butt he knows what it is like.
     
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    If Israel is such a bad place, why Israeli Arabs do not want to give up their Israeli i.d's ??
    Give us a break.
     
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    up until a few days ago, Palestinians could sue in military court, when their land is stolen by Israelis.

    not anymore.
     
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    Can Israelis sue Arab courts about stolen lands they owned before they were expelled during the Jewish Nakba ?
     
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    i dont know.

    why don't you go find out, bro.
     
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    That is not disputing Israel refuses the right of return for Arabs, because they are Arab. So thats not disputing Israel is an apartheid state.
    Us? I can't give you people a break, since you people committed ethnic cleansing on a large scale and still are committing ethnic cleansing. And refuse to undo the wrong, and instead of that morn about the death of your hero who is actually a fanatic racist that committed genocide. You people should know better,.. since you know.. holocaust.
     
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    Your quote is inaccurate as they actually said that he "bears personal responsibility" "for ignoring the danger of bloodshed and revenge" and "not taking appropriate measures to prevent bloodshed".

    The way you quote it makes it seem as if he was the one pulling the trigger on all 62 deaths when in fact he didn't but rather was guilty of criminal negligence as far as I'm concerned and should have done time in prison.
     
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    Do you know that the government started their investigation after a rally of 400,000 people that protested? that is not to turn on preasure? not that is something to lough about.
    The Murdering between the Christian groups and the Arabs in Lebanon was long before Sabra and Chatila.
    He was a recist? how? if he commited detachment from Gaza and Sharon himself destroyed alot of Israeli cities in the West Bank and in Sinai peninsula.

    The home of the Arabs in the West Bank and even them say that, to the majority of the Arabs in the West Bank (and even to Abu-Mazen and his sons), have a Jurdanian citizenship, and even took place in the elections in Jurdan on 2010.

    For alot of the Arabs in the West Bank have Israeli citizenship and come inside Israel alot and even come in holidays to Israel to celebrate it with their family.

    GET YOU FACTS RIGHT!
     
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    It didnt happen, the Palestinians could sue Jews in military court.
     
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    I do not care

    IT'S A FACT THAT SHARON IS PERSONALLY RESPONSIBLE FOR GENOCIDE ACCORDING TO THE ISRAELI GOVERNMENT


    That you disagree, because you assume the Israeli government was under so much pressure from a bunch of hippies that they were "made" their hero responsible for genocide.... IS YOUR OPINION, NOT A FACT!

    suck it up
     
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    You dont care? so in fact you will try to find all kind of things, and twisted it to a whole other thing just to say the Jews are monsters, but as a metter of fact Israel is not the only one who does those things, and yet you dont say anything about those other countries, YOU ARE AN HYPOCRITE and probably brainwashed.

    I assume? do you read whtat i write to you? probably not.

    Do you know that the government started their investigation after a rally of 400,000 people that protested?
    Do you know that exept of the 400,000 people rally also the world turned on preasure against Israeli government?

    AND YES THOSE ARE FACTS, NOT AN OPINION OR SOMETHING I DREAMED ABOUT!
    That is nice that you are relate to som thing that happened, but dismiss the other thing that can blow your whole hatered bubble against the Jews.

    GO LEARN ISRAEL HISTORY BEFORE YOU START HATING THEM!
     
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    yes it did.

    Palestinians can no longer sue over confiscated property, in military court.
     
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    thats a pitty ad homs from a poster who can not produce a counter argument.

    That you believe the Israeli government made their hero to be personally responsible for genocide because of outside pressure, is not a fact but your OPINION as a conspiracy theorist. And In no way am I joining your conspiracy theory, but sticking with FACTS. The FACT of this matter is that the Israeli government that the personally made Sharon responsible for genocide. Full stop.
     
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    There is no such thing in Israel as "stealing land." Maybe your country practicing it, but Israel does not.
    The new military injunction is connected to illigal property, but not to land.
     
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    the Israelis actually themselves called it "land theft".

    they confiscate Arab property, declare it a "closed military zone", kick out the Arab residents, and then let Jewish settlers use the land...for FREE.

    oh yes, this is theft.
     
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    The result of a sick imagination.
     
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    The Palestinians can sue Jews in military court, dont lie please.

    Really? cause if i can read right all of my comments to you and to all the users here that i talk to them, i referred to whole of their comments, not you that everyone can see even in your last comment that you are not referring to my whole comments.

    This is a fact that Israeli Government fired Sharon because of outside preasure, in every site, book that wrote there about Sabra and Chatila and it's results, it would be written about that Israeli government fired Sharon because of outside preasure, you can ask any historian of Israel will say you that.

    Please like I wrote to you learn the proper history of Israel and then you could say something about Israel.
     
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