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If it works some other way, you sure are having a hard time explaining the way you think it works. The money was already given out aka spent, so not collecting it doesn't mean we have to spend more, but I did mention it counts as lost revenue.

 

Then who collects when both parties suffer the loss?
The value of the share went from $100, to zero, even negative. Teflon was considered toxic, fracking caused earthquakes and contaminated water, oil cost more to store then its worth, etc.
If thats agreeing with you, then you would be supporting Bidens plan to forgive some student loans because it would cost the tax payer less.

2: Yep its the same as student loans, because starting a company is a choice, just the same as having a child is. Being forced to carry a child to term means one is forced into student loans because its no less mandatory then the ppp loan was to remain competitive.

3:I can successfully argue schools need to take on the burden if certain fields require a minimum level of education, and it isnt provided at the cost of the employer, especially since we have a thing called OSHA.

Actually, its conservative logic, that the media is to blame for their habitual defeats. As if people cant think for themselves.

 

Right, lost revenue, same thing.

The burden of the debt didn't disappear. It was transferred, but still there.

 

The burden falls with the entity that gave the loan.

Just because the burden is no longer with the borrower, doesn't mean it's gone.

And I highly doubt that when you count the interest we'll pay on the increased national debt, that we'll be paying less as taxpayers. But even so, if they'd pay their own loans then I'd have paid nothing for them as a taxpayer. If I pay a single penny because a loan was forgiven then that's more than I would've paid had they paid them off themselves.

This isn't about starting a business. PPP loans were not loans to start a business.

Starting a business may have been a choice, being forced to shut down was NOT their choice, hence the need for the loan. Student loans were 100% voluntary and not forced on anybody. So no, they are absolutely not the same thing.

No you can't because there's not a single job in existence in which only a degree is required. There are many factors that go into getting a job, a degree might be one, but it's never the only one. Otherwise there would be no need for interviews in that instance.

It's not the burden of someone else to get you a job.....once again, you are responsible for that, not someone else.

Not a response to anything I said.

 

People often highly doubt physics, but it is what it is.

https://trofire.com/2019/07/06/student-loan-forgiveness-is-cheaper-than-the-republican-tax-scam/

I can understand you thinking your tax burden would increase...but in fact it would decrease overtime paying less welfare.

No the ppp loans were not to start a business, they were the welfare to fund failing entities, the bailout that needs recuperation.
Are you against recuperating ppp loans given?

 

You're assuming they're on welfare now?

And you're also assuming we're comparing this to some tax policy?

And holy crap no that's not what PPP loans were for. They weren't to fund failing entities. If you force a business to shut down and then it can't survive, that doesn't mean it was a 'failing entity'.

What I was against was shutting down businesses which created the need for loans to keep them in business.

 

They shut down, on their own. My fathers business never shut down, the company i work for never shut down. Taking a ppp loan was welfare if they never paid it back.

 

You can't be this clueless. People were arrested for opening their businesses back up (please ask me to prove it). Yes, they were most certainly forced to shut down. Not every business, but a lot were.

Edit: A link before you try to falsely claim again that they closed on their own.

https://abcnews.go.com/Health/states-shut-essential-businesses-map/story?id=69770806

 

I though we were talking about Biden policies.
Ur link is from April 2020, during Trumps term. But even then, we never shut down. I guess we did miss Trumps authoritarian policies.

 

We are talking about biden policies. Namely the student loan forgiveness and when that gets brought up every lefty goes to their playbook and brings up PPP loans which came about because of covid. I made a point, you said it was wrong, I clearly illustrated that it was not wrong and now you are pivoting.

You specifically said businesses were not forced to shut down and that was wrong. My link proved it.

You are grossly getting away from our original discussion and I know exactly why. So.....if you'd like to add something go ahead, otherwise there's no sense in continuing.

 

Playbook huh?
I guess commonsense is in the playbook, perhaps you should gloss over it sometime. Its no secret that the right has gone all authoritarian, and resorts to gaslighting to keep people voting against their best interest. If people who think like you continue voting for authoritarian policy, then people like you just support authoritarian policy.

ppp loans were a thing that contradicts the rights moral standing. Address the contradiction by going after everyone that applied for one, and never paid it back. Then you guys against loan forgiveness can continue being against loan forgiveness.

I can only address the claims anecdotally, and anecdotally you are just plain wrong. No one forced me to take the vaccine, and i worked all through the so called covidcation, alot of people i know did in order to maintain a living. But then again, we listened to our doctors, and used commonsense. Unfortunantly because we dont have a form of universal health care,not everyone had doctors now did they.

 

It's not common sense to compare PPP to student loans. It's ignorance in thinking that they are even comparable. I've already illustrated quite clearly why they aren't.

And to say the right has gone 'all authoritarian' is laughable and you can't defend it. It was the left that demanded the shut downs. It was and still is the left that wants massive gov't power. I know you don't like those facts, but you don't get to choose your facts.

We are against gov't mandated shut downs. That's what conflicts with the right. Gov't created the need/demand for PPP loans. If you can't grasp that simple point, I can't help you.

And yet again, PPP and student loans are not comparable. I've already proven this. You're not even attempting to counter anything I'm saying. I haven't said one thing about this that isn't true.

You continually bring up things that haven't been mentioned. Who the hell mentioned vaccines? Yes some people were able to work or work from home. I was one of them.

Who cares....that doesn't change the fact that businesses were forced to shut down. You directly claimed otherwise and I proved you wrong.

You are doing nothing at this point but pivoting away from our original topic.

Student loan forgiveness only transfers the burden of the loan....I illustrated that clearly as well and you know it which is why you have continually gone off on your tangents.