Gary Johnson would have a chance if people voted solely on issues and not Party Brand

Having the government step in and force chaos on the private organizations who run the debates has nothing to do with freedom. I know the government has done some really stupid things to mess with our elections, McCain-Feingold being a great example, but this would be lunacy. Let's throw 100+ people on the stage and not let anyone hear where the real candidates stand on the issues. Nuts. But it would get your non-candidate on the stage so you don't care if it is stupid.

 

Allow me to answer this: Gary Johnson is the Libertarian candidate running for the presidency in 2012, and what's somewhat shocking is that he's on the voting ballot in most of the 50 states and D.C. Read more here.

http://www.garyjohnson2012.com/

 

Freedom is messy...Grokmaster

 

If he could just tap into and harness the largest political party in America, the unrepresented party of non-voters who come from all walks of life, at every level of society, he just might have a real shot. Unfortunately, the extremists (two party scam) and their corporate owned media will not allow his voice to be heard.

 

40% of all Americans claim to be with NEITHER party ...and they say we don't have a chance? I dunno, with social media...it's possible now. It just has to be timed right and something as well down and viral as that stupid Kony2012 and it could work. People can't have 2 weeks tho...they lose momentum.

 

Most people believe in the party they support so they ARE doing exactly what your asking them to. The way people vote is the way it is and even though you may not agree with it you must accept that it is what people want to do. The fact that Gary Johnson cannot tap into that voting base is his problem, not the voters.

 

Upwards of 40% of all Americans are unaffiliated. We wouldn't need to tap into anything if people are that disdainful of what those parties represent that they can't bring themselves to side with them. They would just use the third party as a "no" vote, or...just like it and want to vote 3rd party.

 

Those 40% still prefer to vote for one party or the other, they do not prefer voting for third parties and that's just a fact. Its not their fault, as you are trying to imply, its simply their preference. The problem with third parties is that their platform is not different enough from either the republicans or democrats to justify anyone siding with them. If you do get a third party with completely different views they are so far outside the mainstream train of thought that they stand no chance.

This is why America will always be a two-party system unless you get a single-issue party somewhere in the future.

 

No offense, but you don't speak for those 40%, they do when they say they are independent.

 

I don't speak for them but I can certainly interpret how they have cast their votes in the past and its clear that, in the end, they vote for either democrat or republican.

Just facts man.

 

You don't think the lack of choice in all 50 states and the electoral system has anything at all to do with that? Okay.

 

What lack of choice?

You mean that many third parties cannot gather enough support to get on all the ballots? That would be their problem now wouldn't it?

Perhaps if they had a better platform or message more people would support them.

 

That's exactly what's wrong with this country. People that are unsure of who they want to vote for are manipulated by both the Republicans and Democrats into voting for their side, regardless of how that person feels. It's fear of "the other party is bad" that is fed to them. Republicans and Democrats both should not be trying to coral people to their sides that way, instead they should be encouraging people to find what they truly believe in and to stick with those values and beliefs and vote for the person that best represents how they feel. That is how America should be...that is how it would truly make this county better once again...

 

Who do you think you're fooling? Besides yourselves.

 

Stop saying "real candidates" and just admit you only ever want two screwed up parties tossing control of the country back and forth every few years.

 

Don't be dishonest. I've read your posts and you're way better than that.

 

Is that not the exact same thing you are doing? Trying to manipulate people into saying that both the republicans and demcrats are bad? Hypocrisy at its finest and for your information that is the nature of politics. Your utopian vision of how politics should work has never existed and never will.

And what do you mean "make this country better once again?" This country's political landscape has always been evil. It is actually mild today compared to what it was like when Hamilton and Jefferson were fighting back and forth.

 

38.4% didn't cast a vote in 2008, which means many more played the game of the lessor of two evils and allowed the two party scam to remain dominant in this deadly extreme power struggle. That means that 61.6% of the eligible voters in this country even bothered to vote, and of that total 52% voted for Obama and 46% voted for McCain, so 40.4% of the eligible voters in this country either didn't vote or fall for the two party scam. Sadly that means that just over 30% of the entire voting population determined the winner in 2008.

Many of these people didn't vote for Obama or progressive/democrats or McCain or neo-con/republicans at all. They voted against them. So if only 5% of these eligible voters chose one side over the other playing the game of the lessor of two evils or the two party scam that means 50% of the country, the majority, screwed themselves in the last election, by allowing the two dominating parties scam to remain victorious yet once again. Once again the situation has only worsened. Unemployment is high, the debt doubled, and the world is basically no safer than it was on Sept 10th 2001. We as a nation has voted to secure the dominance of the two party scam, democrats and republicans, the problem.

 

You are missing the point which you clearly outlined in your post. This is being done by the voters themselves, not manipulated through anything. If there was a strong desire to have viable third parties than the voters would make it happen. The Tea Party has been successful for that very reason. There was a want/need of a group of voters and the Tea Party filled it.

There are only two parties because most of America, active voters, want the system that way. There is no third party that is currently offering solutions that are all that different from either republicans or democrats so why would you even bother voting for them?

 

I'm not saying anything against Gary Johnson because I'm very much of Libertarian too. But the truth is that in an election like this one that will be SO close, a vote for Johnson will only help Obama. Every Libertarian I know and myself would rather have anybody on earth in the White House besides Obama, so we'll vote for Romney. We could do a lot worse than to elect a successful businessman as the President for a change.

 

The Tea Party is nothing more than disgruntled republicans, who fail to see that 1/2 of the problem is the corporate owned republican party. The other 1/2 is the corporate owned democrat party. They are the problem, zero solutions.

[bold] Yes but their best selling point is they are "not" part of the two party scam, AKA democrats/republicans.

 

Romney is Bush III, and nothing will change under him. We will still be talking about jobs 3 years from now and that $30 trillion debt. More of the same old same old, pee-pee caca, no substance.

 

There are only two real candidates at this point. GJ lost in the primaries as did RP. Who is a real candidate? Are you referring to Roseanne Barr? Do you want her in the television debates with the real candidates?

 

Once they are in power they will be EXACTLY like the democrats or republicans. The only difference now is that they are not in power.

 

I would have voted for her since her first action as President would be to eliminate all student loan debt.