Gays? no money for children then!

I was going to reply to doombug, but what's the point. It's just feeding who we don't need to be feeding.

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What Christian principles say to discriminate against gay people or to not help people in need because an organization isn't discriminating against gay people? Can you find those quotes from Jesus?

 

The Bible condemns homosexuality. If one decides they want to either support organizations that uphold the teachings of the Bible, that is their right. Don't like it, sponsor a kid yourself in protest of their protest.

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I am pretty sure you care more about bashing the people who oppose homosexuality than you do saving poor hungry kids.

 

That is the easy solution isn't it. The tough decision would be to not be the one to cast the first stone. I'm pretty sure that Jesus knew his father had commanded the stoning of whoredom in the old testament...

But it is also apparent that he didn't always follow his dads commandments or orders...

It is apparent that Jesus would not approve of denying hungry children food in an effort to enforce your approved manner of sexual exchange between consenting adults.

I have bashed no one I have simply noted that this behavior shocks and disgusts me. Your assumptions are simply that assumptions.

If you think this sort of thing is OK then that is between you and whichever god you worship but you are not kidding me by asserting that Jesus would be OK with this!

 

That's the ticket. If you can't run with the Champ maybe you should stay where you are.

 

I have no idea what Jesus would or would not approve of in this matter, but that is not the issue. These people have just as much right to do whatever they want with their money as someone who supports or boycotts any other entity for any other reason.

What Smevins Would Do is not the issue. I stopped giving money to feed the poor a few years ago for reasons less bounded by religion. To each their own. If you are so disgusted and shocked, feed the poor yourself.

 

Again, where did Jesus say to do as I previously asked? You can't find a quote, can you? Too busy crossing out the verses talking about not judging other people?

The Bible says all sorts of things are wrong. Where are the companies and Christians who are wanting to discriminate against liars, proud people, divorced people, those who've had premarital sex, the jealous, etc? When you not only do something that Jesus never said to do and you cherry pick just one or two principles found in the Bible while ignoring all of the others, you expose yourself as frauds who don't really care about this for the sake of religious beliefs at all.

I'm pretty sure you and others care more about bashing homosexuals and those that support them than following the Bible.

 

As long as religious people are the ones giving to charities then they can give as they see fit and anyone that doesn't like it can go suck a lemon.

 

"the recent war on religion..."...Ya know, we are waging a war on Stupidity and Ignorance....I think that's what you are referring to.

Your claim that non-believers don't give is bull(*)(*)(*)(*) also.

 

I already backed it up so nice try but you fail.

 

Nowhere does the Bible command people to donate money to NGO's to feed people so if one elects not to for whatever reason does not mean that they are violating a doctrine of their faith.

Christian schools do this regularly and get sued for it regularly.

I am pretty sure this has nothing to do with the Bible, but the liberal inability to understand that nobody is entitled to someone else's money. If I create a scholarship that requires a 4.0 GPA and someone gets a 3.85 because Grandma was sick, then it is my right to take that scholarship away no matter how much anyone else thinks it is wrong. He who has the gold makes the rules. Start your own charity that feeds only gay poor people for all I care and hires only gay people, but actually doing something constructive if you are that concerned will require you to do more than sit and whine on the internet about other people not doing the things that you want them to do.

 

I guess that's a no. You're not going to quote anything relevant from Jesus.

Which businesses are doing it besides schools? Why aren't the anti-gay and/or anti-birth control ones doing it? I have yet to hear of any.

 

If the Bible does not command a Christian to do something, then not doing it does not require Biblical approval. You can guess whatever you so desire, but you should at least try to have some intellectual basis for your feeble attempt to attack others for their religion.

I don't know. I am not a spokesman for all the people on the planet. Christian schools are businesses so your question was asked and answered. That you don't like that it was answered doesn't change that.

 

No one disputes they have a right to use their money to whatever advantageous manipulative agenda they choose, ... but when being called out on using hungry children as pawns it should hardly be shocking to them or you..

If leading by example doesn't interest you then I would say this is a good position to take.

I already do and by the way I give through a religious organization to do it even though I think religion is one of the most divisive forms of community around. I wouldn't deny hungry kids food in an effort to suppress religion.

 

Very little shocks me. They, however, are not using hungry children as pawns by my measure. They apparently want to give in a certain way and through certain types of organizations. The NGO in question apparently attempted to deviate from their expectations. That does not mean that they would not have given to other hungry children through another organization. If there is one thing the world will never run out of, it is third world hunger.

You said, "If you think this sort of thing is OK then that is between you and whichever god you worship but you are not kidding me by asserting that Jesus would be OK with this". It is not an issue of leading by example but of condemning other people who use their money based on their principles instead of mine. It has nothing to do with leading, but of tolerance of other people's rights and principles.

Good on you for that, but, again, if you refused to give to a food bank because it wasn't secular, I would defend your right to do that as well.

 

What is this "war on religion" you are referring to .. Are you talking about Muslims ?

 

Then we simply measure things with a different stick.

In my opinion and as best as I can tell from reading the stories of Jesus giving should be done with no expectation of adherence's to the givers expectations. I don't recall Jesus ever asking if some one was gay before he healed them. He didn't do it in an effort to get people to conform to his moral standards he did it simply because he could.

I tolerate the KKK but I agree with nothing they endorse, and I see them also as hate mongers.

I do give to food banks, ... but I hold no expectation of them to conform to my secular leanings. I give for the same reason Jesus healed sick folks without asking them if they were gay, ... Simply because I can!

 

Well that is fairly evident.

That he did not require a quid pro quo does not mean that he did not expect or know that his mercy would result in them following him.

I really don't spend any time thinking about them in depth one way or the other. I see them as no different than PETA or any other group with which I disagree. They exist. Their existence does not infringe upon my existence, nor is likely to do so, and I don't share their world view. Let them do them and I will do me.

There are faith-based option to aid the poor and there are secular option to aid the poor. I don't see one as being any different than the other, but other people may feel differently. If feeding the poor is your thing, I would think that you would be okay with either type doing it if it got to the same end. You instead seem to would prefer the NGO hiring gays at the expense of 2K donations.

 

It's really not as complicated as you seem to be making it.

Your message is clear, you are OK with their behavior ... I am not. That's pretty simple.

 

I am ok with a lot of things people do whether I would do them or not--that is the nature of a free society. You are not interested in having a free society. That's equally as simple.

 

Look so far we've kept this civil but now that you have made an accusation "You are not interested in having a free society" you are starting to take it into lala land.

Do you want to make this an argument or agree to disagree?

No where have I said what you accuse me of in fact in post #41 I said " I tolerate the KKK but I agree with nothing they endorse " So dont make foolish assumptions concerning what I'm interested in or not.

I may not agree with this behavior but as you have so elegantly pointed out there is not much I can , or would, do to change it ... I simply tolerate it although I don't agree with it. I have read nowhere in any of your posts that you disagree with their principal concerning this so I can only surmise that you are OK with this behavior. If you are not OK with this type of behavior simply say so or let the record show you approve of this.

 

You can make whatever "foolish assumptions" you want. I have no more issue with someone not supporting an organization because they shun homosexuality than I do one that caters exclusively to homosexuals. Nor do I consider people hypocrites for prioritizing among the sins they oppose. Nor do I go around bashing people for their charitable choices. Nor do criticize the religious or religion in the name of political correctness.

 

Got it! You've made your self very clear!

 

I'm pretty sure that Jesus would not approve of this type of behavior by these christians!

 

Are you having a hard time following the conversation/argument here? If someone is arguing for something based on religious beliefs, and they claim to be a Christian, but those beliefs are not Biblical, then the justification is false. It's not really a guess on my part, since you refuse to quote a single verse from Jesus and I already know what the Bible says. If you had the verses, you would quote them, but you don't.

Hardly. I asked you what businesses other than schools and what businesses that are anti-birth control/anti-gay and you admit you don't even know. The point is, outside of Christian schools, whose main purpose is not to make profit, businesses don't seem to be discriminating for other supposedly Biblical reasons.