One of the biggest problems with supporting trans ideology is the lack of any sort of logical consistency within the reasoning for it. We are told it is both mental and physical but that one addresses the other while also not at all being tied to the other. We see statements like.... a trans woman is a woman. A woman isn't biology but how you identify. A woman is a state of mind, state of being, how you feel internally. Yet all of this needs to be "affirmed" with surgery and hormones. So if your gender isn't your biology, it isn't your sex organs, if gender and sex are two different things, then why do people keep insisting on fighting and altering those things to "affirm" their gender? Just explain how if gender and sex are different then why do people keep wanting to alter their sex to affirm their gender. They're different and unrelated. If a woman can have a penis, then a woman shouldn't need to cut off her penis to affirm her gender. If a man can have a vagina, then a man shouldn't need profoundly invasive plastic surgery to create a neo-penis to affirm their gender. This of course doesn't even begin to address non-binary, the host of other genders and so on. Don't wander off into the weeds on this. Don't start with the bullshit about transphobia. Don't lecture and explain while saying nothing. The premise is that gender and sex are different. Yet we keep being told that they must be aligned because they can't be different. There's a reason many more people supported LGB and do not support 2STQIA++. The former have a logical consistency while the latter are just a ridiculous mess of dogma, platitudes and nonsense.
There are so many aspects to this false issue that utterly reveal the absurdity of it all, that one wonders about the mental health of a society so consumed by it.
Easy enough. You are conflating what the visible are doing/saying with the whole. There are many cases where the person is transgender and didn't develop GD. Why don't you hear about it more often? Probably because of the attacks of transgender opponents as well as radical transgender "supporters". This also accounts for many non-binaries, since they typically don't necessarily need to do any physical alterations because of the lack of GD. As to the why the change is needed in those who have GD, the key there is the fact there is a discordance that is occurring because of the mismatch away from the statistical standard. Right now, all attempts and methods to align the gender to the sex have failed or have resulted in more harm than healing. The attempts to align the body to the gender have a significantly higher success rate. I will say, as this thought has just now occurred to me, that I have to wonder how much of transgenders' attempt to be more aligned with the stereotype of a woman is due to the push by certain segments of society as to what a woman is. IOW, in having a gender that aligns with what is presented as being what a woman should be, they are thus identifying as a woman, because that is what matches. The asexuals are just as logically consistent with the LBG, as that is something that is based on what is sexually attractive to you, in this case, that being none. Queer has ended up being more of an umbrella term meaning anyone not cis-het, although there is argument on that as well. Intersex is consistent too, in that it is something that is purely physical. Of course you can make arguments as to whether, say a person with CAIS is transgender if they think they are a woman, or is transgender if their think they are a man. Some intersex conditions do not lend to that potential, but others do.
Every adolescent trans-fers into adulthood, often painfully and slowly. "Trans" is not anything everyone doesn't experience. Imaging that one is something one isn't is very common. Insisting that everyone else accept that image is utterly ridiculous.
False point. Not every trans person who has GD requires genital surgery to alleviate the GD. For some simple presentation is enough. For others, altering the chest area is all.that is needed. And yes for still others, the full SRS is needed. The issue is to alleviate the GD, not to change the genitals. Your conflation fallacy does not change this fact.
As your own acronyms note, it is called sexual reassignment surgery only now I'm sure you'll quickly swap to gender reassignment surgery. The point is and remains for this thread, if sex and gender are different why do you need surgery on your sex organs to affirm your gender. Biology and state of mind are two different things but the reality is people are trying to conflate and replace sex with gender. This thread exposes the lie that cannot happen with regard to that. Your state of mind cannot replace your biology, if it could then you wouldn't need operations and hormones to affirm your state of mind.
And they keep on and on and on about it. I really have to question why so many ar3 obsessed with this
Excellent rebuttal! But in truth this is distraction from the fact that Trump is about to go to prison, the economy is doing better, the supreme court is corrupt and the “freedom caucus” looks like a bunch of loons who have escaped from a mental asylum but “genitals” or something
The accuracy of the term can vary with your point of view. Since they are already of a certain gender, then by making the alternation, they are reassigning their sex with the surgery. The procedure is the procedure, regardless of the name. And yes, I know, and agree, that the sex is not really changing. But this would not be the only area of language where we are not accurate in the word use. You are still making the conflation fallacy. The surgery is not to confirm the gender. The surgery is to alleviate the GD, if it is necessary. The sex remains the same. The gender remains the same. And they remain mismatched. There is no cure at this time. The best we can do is manage the symptoms, which vary from person to person, just as we already do with many other issues that have no cure. In many all that is needed is presentation. Which disproves the assertion that the surgery is to confirm the gender. Also, they are not conflating sex with gender. That would be the opponents. Proponents are separating sex from gender, not conflating it. I agree. I have frequently stated that transgenderism is a disorder, or a birth defect or whatever label fits. And the need for medical intervention, even if only at a therapy level, is the proof of that. That doesn't make it any less real that the gender and the sex are mismatched, nor the need for the transition, be it presentation, full SRS, or anything in between, any less real. As noted, transgenderism can, and often does, cause some level of GD. That is what the transition is treating. At this point there has not been a successful method of transitioning the mind to have the gender match the sex. What has been successful is transitioning the body, on a surface level, to match the gender. It is a method that is sufficient to alleviate the GD. Managing the symptoms, since it can't be cured.
Can you name anything else where we "manage the symptoms" in this manner? We alleviate mental distress by physically altering their body. What other mental issues do we solve in this manner?
Diabetes Parkinson's Dementia Retinitis Pigmentosa Autism Several types of cancer (not all types. Some do have cures. Also in remission is not cured) Fibromyalgia Endometriosis Huntington’s disease Muscular Dystrophy Chronic Fatigue Syndrome Cystic Fibrosis Osteoarthritis Lupis Shall I go on? Many types of Body Dismorphic Disorder are managed this way. Extreme cases can even result in the amputation of the affected body part. For that matter, transgenderism does share aspects of BDD, although it is not categorized the same, similar to how pedophilia, ****philia and ephebophilia share aspects with impulse control disorders, but are not categorize as impulse control disorders. There is research on the use of tattoos in aiding in various forms of mental and emotional disorders, including trauma. And of course there is the simple cosmetic surgery for those with poor body image who seek surgery to make themselves "more beautiful".
The first part? No, but then the first question didn't ask about mental disorders. That's why I broke up the post as I did. Did you bother to read the second part of my post, or ignored it because it didn't read what you wanted it to?
The first part was part of a reply to what was posted. We were not discussing generalized medical treatment. It was a specific discussion about using cosmetic another types of medicine like SRS and HRT to treat a mental condition. As for the second part, we don't say people who get their breasts enhanced are suffering from mental trauma. I've never even heard of someone claiming getting a tattoo is a medical treatment. Start with the first part and address it properly.
Then is argue they don't really have GD. Just HRT femboys and tomboys So it's about how they are viewed by others and not really GD There is no such thing as SRS you can't reassign sex. That doesn't make sense of your dysphoric because of your gender the part of you that defines it should be an issue. You are making this seem less legitimate.
Why would you need surgery to augment sexual characteristics of gender isn't sex? Mastectomy, "facial feminization surgery" even HRT is to change strictly sexual characteristics. If it's not connected to sex why the need to mess with sexual characteristics?
A person may do whatever the person wants to that person's body. A person can choose whatever the person wants as ideological, religious or philosophical 'welt anshauung'. A person can look at reality as totally relative, with all morality only subject to that person's view. That is the ultimate freedom a human has. It is an awesome freedom, one not shared by other animals. That person's approach to life may also run into another person's, or another system such as society and/or the state. Then the person either has to accommodate, compromise of struggle. Those are the consequences of the person's existence. The person may expect to continue as the person wishes, but the person may find that the other persons and or systems not only do not accept this, but actively repulse the person. We are all beset with the problem of integrating our individual existence into what we are confronted by as "reality". That is universal. That is banal. Protesting one's individuality can be child like or childish. The later deserves no respect. The former deserves help.
Why not START by UNDERSTANDING how trans people come to be BORN the way they are? Around the 6th week of PREGNANCY the GENITALS start to form in the fetus. Once that process has finished if the fetus is MALE then the TESTOSTERONE from the testes will INFLUENCE the DEVELOPMENT of the BRAIN as being MALE. WITHOUT that testosterone the fetus will have a FEMALE BRAIN. What can, and does, happen DEPENDS upon the LEVEL of testosterone. This is a BIOLOGICAL process occurring at the GENETIC level and things do NOT always go according to plan. Some of us, myself included, ended up with BRAINS that do NOT align with the genitals of our bodies. Reassigning genitals is a CHOICE made by some ADULTS whose brain GENDER does not align with their body. Others, like myself, make a DIFFERENT choice. So the QUESTION the OP should be asking themselves is HOW does this impact YOU? WHY does the OP feel the NEED to KNOW what other people do with THEIR genitals?
Well, if they're born the way they are, then they do not need to change that, do they? If a person feels like they have a brain that is more like a different gender, why do they need their body to also conform to the typical body characteristics of that other gender, when their own body is already perfectly normal? It seems like a case of trying to surgically alter the body to conform to the mind. I thought LBGT was trying to celebrate diversity and differences. Why the need to try to conform through surgery? Each person is unique. Why not just accept that your mind is more like the mind typical of one type of gender group in society while your body is typical of a different gender from that? Unless it's not really about trying to match body to mind, and rather you're just trying to match your body to the gender you would prefer to be. Even though that's likely to make you an abnormality, irrevocably trapped in some weird in-between gender zone, and less attractive in the dating pool.
There are three genders in the world.... Males have a penis and testicles and females have a vagina and ovaries and confused and mentally ill people don't know what the top two things mean.
What's so important about aligning? Isn't this all really a social construct, when we think about it? If -- hypothetically -- male brains were in bodies that had vaginas and female brains were in bodies that had a penis, then there would be no problem, right? Your brain and body would then match up to everyone else in society (or at least one half of them), correct? And then there would be the absurd situation of some individuals with vaginas wanting to get penises because they felt they had a more female brain, and wanted to try to more closely match up to everyone else in society who had a female brain.
After reading the posts above the term "Confederacy of Dunces" came to mind. https://www.newyorker.com/books/second-read/the-uneasy-afterlife-of-a-confederacy-of-dunces Ignatius J. Reilly, the hero of the saga, is thusly described... The opening line of the Confederacy of Dunces reads as follows; Replace the green hunting cap with a red MAGA cap and we have a perfect fit. Inmate P01135809 is Ignatius J. Reilly in the flesh. So what does this have to do with the OP topic? One absurdity deserves another however the "Confederacy of Dunces" is vastly more insightful than this thread.
I was just trying to highlight the whole absurdity of the situation. It doesn't really make logical sense, medically modifying your body to conform to society's ideals of gender, trying to be more like one of the two common gender groups in mind and body. If that were really the point, which I suspect it is actually not. I think there are actually two transgender groups - one of them is just gay and confused, or has a fantasy that once they change their body all their desired gender group will be attracted to them. The other one is more like Buffalo Bill in Silence of the Lambs. (He was sexually obsessed with women -- so he wanted to transform himself into one, as a form of possessing the body which he coveted) Either case is a sexual dysfunction. And I even have a test for the theory. What are the percentage of transgenders who are fully bisexual? If my theory is correct, it should be vanishingly small relative to the rate in the general population. Because, according to my theory, if an individual were bisexual, there would exist no motivation to change gender. But, on the contrary, according to conventional gender theory that is being touted these days, one would very much expect the rates of bisexuality to be much higher among the transgender group.
