Germany forges a united vote against USA in UN meeting at Thursday

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  1. Ned Lud

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    What are you on?
     
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    RiaRaeb Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Yes, it does not surprise me you wonder at the obvious.
     
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    If Mueller goes for Kushner, he definitely goes for the heart of Trump's governance since that same Kushner evicted Bannon from the WH.

    I don't know much about Bannon's zionist loyalties, if any.
     
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    Nothing, at the moment....
     
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    I'd wish you elaborated on that.
     
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    How is taking over Jewish property and shipping them out - Zionism ?
     
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    I actually dont. I think you are still confused though.
     
  8. Ned Lud

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    Internal chemicals, hey? Lucky old you! :)
     
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    Don't think, you appear to keep coming to the wrong conclusions.
     
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    Yes - it is.

    What, you figure all of these Christians who support zionism in the US do it for the love of jews? To these people's eyes jews are failed christians, ones that didn't get the memo about converting to Christianity etc. They hope for the Apocalypse, where you, as a jew, will learn how much you were wrong.

    At least a third of zionists (my personal estimate) just want you people gone, and their interest happens to match those of jews who think they have no place in a non-apartheid state as well. Strange bedfellows.
     
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    The Saudies need allies and are tired of the staus que, so is America, that's the motive of such a deal, how it will work with the Palestinians I dont know, teh Palestinians themselves are divided on peace with Israel but maybe the Saudis have a plan.
     
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    I mean it in a quite subjective way. I respect (or fear when it comes to NK) what comes out of, Heley's, mouth more than Trump's or his press secretary's. I don't understand the Middle East itself.
     
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    There's already such an alliance, along with Qatar etc. It is informal because these Arabic nations' people wouldn't like it formalized, because things like these, and the Jerusalem question, can make them go out in the street and adhere to one revolutionary movement/party or another and destabilize the status quo.

    Saudis opposed Trump's move for this reason, not out of love for Palestine.
     
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    I don't think Saudi plans are up to much, or that any American government cares anything for Palestine, only the AIPAC support and the 'Christian' weirdoes in the South. It is a desperately dreadful position, and will be decided only by war, alas, which may take generations before the Nazis have their weapons of mass destruction taken from them. There'll certainly be death camps for Palestinians by then, naturally..
     
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    So you mean the Nazis were such "Zionists" that had ill intent toward Jews ? thing is Jews came up with Zionism and in order to call one "Zionist" he is supposed to follow the definition of the original intent, so, if Zionism means estableshing a state for Jews to have freedom and rights - adding "and them kill them all" is not really Zionism but something else.
     
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    It is a region that has been desperately repressed and colonised for a century, in which politics was driven into the mosque because even the Americans didn't feel strong enough to ban religion. The states are artificial and most of the regimes tedious puppet tyrannies.
     
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    considering your anti german feelings i highly doubt that. You would cry for the poor danes
     
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    The Zionists were people who despaired of Judaism and went over to Hitler, becoming a racist Volk.
     
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    Love got little to do in foreign affairs, I still think Trump threats to cut aid and deals he defines as bad to US were the plan all along, it servs his agenda of America first.
     
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    Yes, definitely. Hitler collaborated with zionists in Germany and Palestine before WWII. He offered them Madagascar after France fell. Hitler think Jews were a disease in Germany - he wanted them out, and in this sense he agreed with Herzl.

    It is zionism enough for all relevant intents and purposes.
     
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    No, they just came here
     
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    Actually Christian Zionism predates Jewish Zionism.

    The meaning of our text, as opened up by the context, is most evidently, if words mean anything, first, that there shall be a political restoration of the Jews to their own land and to their own nationality.

    C H Spurgeon in 1864, 32 years before Herzl's Der Judenstadt,[9]
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_Zionism_in_the_United_Kingdom
     
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    No because the original intent is to create a good life and the other means Death, its basicly opposite.
     
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    Well, like so many other decisions, it will be an ill-advised, ill-thought out, improvised plan born out of ignorance and a desire to antagonize as many people as possible to show loyalty to a single, targeted group. Of course in the longer term it will be revealed as disastrous as America will be left with much fewer allies, much fewer influence, in a time when its power is waning and a giant rises to the East.
     
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    You remind me of a nut job I know who lives in the Arkansas mountains. If this is you, I understand your lack of knowledge.
     
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