Global climate debate-the facts

That's ridiculous. We get ~ 2% of our imported oil from Iraq. The Iraq war had nothing to do with oil. Those editorials are absurd.

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What's happening now is global warming which is net beneficial for at least the next 200 years.

 

The human race has at least 200 years to find alternative energy sources if necessary. One hundred years ago less than 5% of households had electricity.

 

Speaking of preach that's all I am saying, practice what you preach. "Be the change you want to see in the world."

 

Obviously, nuance means nothing to you. Yes, we have a pretty good idea, because we can watch it happen around us that the lifespan of a sun will ultimately doom itself. That isn't science. It's observable. Suns die.

So don't conflate factual observation then to this namby pamby gobbly gook that climate science is pushing that suggests that they "know" anything as long as they continue to base that knowledge on manufactured data and not the observable. Frankly, science doesn't "know" what is actually happening now to any great certainty. (as far as climate prognostication is concerned). It would be like saying yes, we know the sun is eventually going to flame out, and here's the exact date that based on no actual observable data points we believe that to happen. And because compared to the actual age of the sun to date, the flame out is getting more probable because the end date is getting nearer. It's laughable.

What we know, because it's observable is that we don't have ice covering huge swaths of the northern hemisphere. For that, I'm sure all inhabitants are truly thankful. If we only think about an object rebounding to it's static shape, a climate rebounding to it's more normal state is an expectation. But hyperventilating about that rebound, to me, doesn't seem to then have any real value, and I don't take it seriously as a policy discussion because it fails to recognize the rational expectation that cyclic rebounds have limits. Failing to include that into climate theology is then less about "science" and more about sociology and propaganda.

We get it. You believe. We have freedom of religion in this nation. We also have and maintain separation of church and state in this nation. So keep your church and it's dogma out of my government.

 

What I preach? So you know a phrase from the Dali and now you're an expert on how followers of Buddhism should behave?

Need I remind you that America's involvement in Vietnam was hastened by the site of Buddhist monks' self immolation captured by news crews. They did not "walk the middle road" or "be the change..." or any such platitudes directed at the ill-educated and under-informed.

In this discussion I am proposing we cut down on pollution, stop fighting wars over energy, stop bleeding the poor dry for a resource that could be had for free while you propose the opposite.

What is un-Buddhist about my position and what is PICK-YOUR-BELIEF about yours?

 

Buddhism does not preach attacking and berating other people and AGW believers should not be burning electricity on computers manufactured with fossil fuel from mining and trucking and factories to berate non believers. Practice what you preach

 

How very strange....I accept climate change as reality, have no problem using fossil fuels, think Buddhist philosophy rather cool, and completely understand that using blanket terminology to explain billions of people is at best, ignorance.

 

Interesting. How do you rationalize using fossil fuel as you say it is killing polar bears and coral reefs and submerging islands?

 

It has something to do with that pesky reality thingy.

1) I don't get to choose where my electricity comes from.
2) Mankind is incapable of doing anything to prevent climate change.
3) I will be long dead before it gets really bad anyway.

 

I agree with 2 and 3

 

Cool...please inform me as to where I can choose my utility company as well....or perhaps lend me the money to go off grid?

 

Buddhism does not preach...at all.

So, preach elsewhere.

 

You can go off grid by unplugging your computer for starters. Really though it's not that expensive. I have two solar panels, six golf cart batteries and an inverter. You just have to learn to live with lots less power

 

This Buddhism philosophy or preaching call it what you will, would help you in here.

"And what is right speech? Abstaining from lying, abstaining from divisive speech, abstaining from abusive speech, abstaining from idle chatter: This, monks, is called right speech."

 

That you do not like the truth does not make the truth "divisive" or "abusive." Truth is truth. If divisiveness is your issue perhaps you should look within. At you and the minds with which you surround yourself. Perhaps if you could speak the word "liberal" without all that spittle and the sneer on your face, it might be a start.

 

I'm not the one that pretends to be a Buddhist and I do indeed hate liberals and will sneer on sight

 

And the difference is clearly stated. Liberals do not hate you and welcome you to take part in such liberal ideas as police, fire protection, public hospitals, roads, sewage plants, electric coops, Social Security, Medicare, public schools, public universities, and even the benefits of reducing the impact of global warming.

You're Welcome.

 

Yes indeed Obama and the Democrats let Republicans help and took their suggestions when they rammed Obamacare down our throats.

You're corrected.

 

Do you mean the health care plan, including the mandate, championed by Republicans since 1994? Is that the planned rammed down Republican throats? Their own plan? Ah, the embarrassment of actual truth.

 

So Democrats fought hard against the mandate and will keep fighting hard against the mandate?

Good news.

 

Democrats, being reasonable people, passed the legislation they could. Republicans have had control of both houses of congress for 2 years and a president who invited them to improve on his law. Their response? Monthly repeal votes.

Seriously, isn't reality disturbing?

 

It was their way or the highway. I saw on CSPAN those alleged reasonable Democrats run the show like they were dictators.
Republicans got totally shut out of the ACA and Dodd Frank law.

Democrats made messes due to both the ACA and Dodd Frank. And you all but blamed republicans for the mandate.

That mandate was great for insurance firms. An assault on the freedom of the people of the USA.

You repeal bad law. They repealed the alcohol law. They repealed Dred Scott decision. Why is this sacred?

ACA left out most of those it was supposed to help.

Some want a single pay law but all that means is taxes paid to Government divert to health care.

It sounds great until you figure out who it enslaves.

Right now, how can this country return to fiscal sanity? Trump better get to it so we can support him next time.

We learned Democrats do not like fiscal sanity. (Lie by me, I knew it since I was a Democrat and I left them in 1980.)

 

Well, it's a rant.

Ineffective. Doesn't respond at all to the thread. Completely fact free.....

A clear statement of "conservative" principles.

 

Strange defense. Carry on.

 

You are not discussing climate.