Global Warming A Back Door To Socialism - And Now Even The UN Admits It

That's a fair assessment. I do indeed think that CO2 is a dominant player overriding natural factors today. CO2 isn't always the dominant player mind you, but for the post WWII era...yes. There are other players that have a large effect right now as well. These include CH4 and to a lesser extent minor GHGs like CFCs (which got regulated already) and aerosols. Anthroprogenic aerosols are actually a substantial player that is offsetting a significant portion of the GHG forcing. And scientists definitely don't know all of the players in the game, but for each year that goes by they eliminate natural candidates as being dominant players and reinforce the evidence that it is anthroprogenic behaviors that are largely driving the warming.

 

Spoken like a true believers that is obsessed with global warming and doesn't post in here on any other subject. I can only suggest you live your life according to your strong beliefs and wish you well.

 

I'll occasionally dable in the other threads, but because I generally dislike politics both conservative/Republican and liberal/Democrat I find it hard to contribute sometimes. I've found the best way to participate in politically oriented discussions is those involving science because that's what I'm passionate about. I just want our leaders and the voting public to be able to make informed decisions based on facts. I don't know...maybe I'll try to branch out in the other threads.

 

Hate to break the news to you but global warming is politics as much as it is science. Even you who claims only a science based interest in the end turns to politics to implement the agenda your interpretation of the science demands to "save the world" .

 

Thread summary:

Joseph made yet another thread about his bizarre religious beliefs concerning the VastSecretGlobalSocialistPlot. TheParty tells him to parrot such conspiracy lunacy, so Joseph obeys, being he can't even imagine not obeying TheParty.

The two sides here are direct opposites.

The deniers here are all member of an extremist right-wing authoritarian political/religious movement. If right-wing politics vanished, denialism would instantly vanish along with it.

In stark contrast, if left-wing politics vanished, the science would remain completely unchanged, and the beliefs of the rational people here would remain unchanged.

That's because AGW science is real science, while denialism is pure politics.

 

If Trump came out said AGW was a real then you'd see fewer of these conspiracy theory posts.

 

That's why you're called "deniers". You deny science.

Plus, I'm sort of wondering what you think "opposite" means in your usage.

 

True. I'd note that it's also true that WE are the worst polluters on a per capita basis.

But, the real point being noted is that China is doing something about it.

Today, they are the world leaders in clean energy - as measured by patents, exports, installation rate.

And, US leadership is fighting for COAL and oil, with no regard for the problem that WE represent.

 

Do you even know what socialism IS?

I mean, this claim seems just plain nutty.

What means of production is being taken away by the people?

The issue is that capitalism DOES NOT address those issues from which they can't make a profit. Yet, we need those issues to get solved - even if nobody is going to get rich from it. And, whenever actual work needs to be done (like building roads, building water and waste facilities, etc.) we give that work to private enterprise.

That's not socialism.

 

Socialism also gives government power over peoples lives as in forcing them to drive certain types of cars, use government sanctioned forms of energy, live lifestyles the government approves of and confiscates wealth to implement its agenda. Socialism is not power to the people it's precisely the opposite.

 

Whose definition is that?

 

No, those are not part of Socialism.

ALL systems of government include taxation and regulation.

Besides, Socialism is defined by the people owning the means of production - and, NOBODY is suggesting anything like that. Even when our governnment wants something done, it contracts the work to private enterprise as per free market CAPITALISM.

Also, your examples don't make sense. Government isnt forcing you to drive a specific kind of car, etc.

 

He has repeatedly shown he doesn't know what socialism is, and that he isn't interested in learning what it is. He only wants to throw stones at it.

 

Pence has been pumping this nonsense.

Perhaps that's why the recent upsurge in these failed lines of argument.

 

Government has already forced us into specific kinds of cars as it creeps towards socialism with fuel economy regulations and excessive pollution mandates. You ever wonder what happened to station wagons and small pickups? Both gone due to government mandates.

 

I think there is a mix-up in the method of identifying posters here, as I wrote the post you're responding to, not Kode!

So, I'm not so sure that Josephwalker wrote the post I'm responding to!!

But ... to whomever wrote the above:

Regulation on emissions has nothing to do with the means of production and is absolutely not Socialism.

What it IS is the government solving a problem that is shared by all - pollution. We the people of our Democracy were unhappy with this problem to the degree that we ordered up a variety of solutions to air pollution through our democracy. Suggesting that is Socialism is just plain ridiculous.

Saying "socialism" is NOT a justification for requiring ME to breath pollution or drink polluted water or eat sausage made of floor sweepings (like it once was).


And, I don't even SLIGHTLY agree with your reasons for station wagons and small pickups going away. The power trains of today's SUVs, vans and pickups could EASILY be used in station wagons and small trucks. The catch is that nobody wants station wagons and tiny trucks given the choices available today.

 

It's ridiculous to think a capitalist government is moving toward socialism. The government is doing everything it can to help prevent the capitalist crisis.

 

Government regulations forced us out of station wagons and into SUVs as they also destroyed the small pickup market like the old Nissan hardbody, the small Toyota pickups and the little Ford Ranger. These were built on car frames and government fuel efficiency fleet regulations forced auto companies to stop manufacturing these vehicles in favor of SUVs and larger pickups built on truck frames which didnt have the same fuel standards on them. This is a perfect example of government making you drive cars you did not want based on their criteria.

 

Socialism is the crisis government is moving towards with the democrats.

 

Fine. Can you name one Democrat who ever said they want an end to capitalism? Even Pelosi infamously said "we're all capitalists".

 

Of course they don't say it. Were you serious?

 

You do understand that the voices in your head aren't a source that anyone else will trust, right?

 

Oh, I see. Every socialist advertises his socialism except for politicians, and tho they're silent on it, you have some kind of telepathy that informs you so only you know the truth. What a pathetic joke.

 

Nonsense. The power trains of today would easily power those vehicles you think people wanted.

But, if they were in demand, they would be produced today. And, they aren't.

I agree that fuel standards were a factor for a while there. But, US auto simply wasn't producing vehicles with the features that people wanted - which is why they got whipped so hard by Asia.

 

So you dont think Sanders and Cortez are advertising their position?