"Go f**k yourselves", Zelensky office tells Western Officials

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  1. Woogs

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    You might ask yourself why it's now necessary for Ukraine to be exportong babies when, in the time of the USSR, it was the most prosperous Soviet state.
     
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    So, we all sit here on the political form, discuss politics, and attempt to predict some outcomes, yet a diplomat cannot say in a private phone call with their leadership the election process and where the candidate they are rooting for is standing in that process? By saying “Yatsenyuk is our guy” she meant that he is a pro-western politician. I listened and read that conversation more than once and nowhere did she imply that they installed Yatsenyuk to a leadership position in some illegal or unethical way. Why can’t a diplomat, that is working in an assigned country, express their opinions over the host country’s politicians in a private call? As far as I understand it, such a discussion is part of a job description of any diplomat, wouldn’t you think? So, what was wrong in her actions?

    George Freedman expressed his opinion. He did not say he has any direct knowledge of anything he discussed in that article. He pretty much voiced his interpretation of the events in question. George Soros and Henry Kissinger expressed their opinions in Davos a couple of days ago. Those opinions were opposites of each other and none of them involved direct knowledge of classified information.

    Intermediaries do not commit coups. You should look up the definition of intermediary. Many conflicts, internal and external, usually end up involving intermediaries. France, Turkey, and Israel tried to be the intermediaries in current war. Does it mean they are overthrowing Ukrainian or Russian governments?

    My leadership sometimes uses swear words (not directed at me) during our private conversations. Big deal! Arestovich just two days ago said on a video that countries that attempt to pressure Ukraine into territorial concessions should go and eff themselves. Nobody but Russians seem to be making a big deal out of it.
     
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    Because even the most prosperous soviet state saw food shortages, mismanagement, and widespread poverty. In a popular soviet movie, S Legkim Parom, the main character was a surgeon who had to share his apartment with his mother - something that would be unheard of in western countries. Everyone was poor in the USSR, living under brutal oppressive dictatorship.
     
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    Russia always presents its case to the UN, such as the photos depicting genocide in the unmarked graves in areas of Lugansk occupied by the Ukrainian army, but our government with their Western appendages ignore them - as do their MSM propaganda networks.

    Biden and company had planned this war for a long time and they certainly aren't going allow anything to spoil their narrative to the American and European public.
     
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    You haven't been around for very long have you? Not long enough to know that the Russians (and before them the U.S.S.R.) are well known for shamelessly manipulating the UN.
     
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    Here are videos that will never be shown on our propaganda networks:

    https://t.me/s/UkraineHumanRightsAbuses/4549
     
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    What is wrong with her actions? Nothing wrong apart that they show the direct involvement of US in the events in Ukraine. It is not just a simple coincidence that the person who she told should be the prime minister become the prime minister. George Friedman is not a cleaner from a Walmarkt, but a founder and chairman of a private intelligence and consulting firm, a well known analyst. He knows what he is talking about. For Obama, he told that US was an intermediary in the change of power. The coup was a change of power. In addition, I do not like Putin, but I tend to beleive him when he told that Russian intelligent services have the proofs that the US was involved in the coupe. I collected all the pieces of the puzzle together and came to the conclusion that the coup was promoted by the US.
     
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    I've been around long enough to know that the U.S. tried to manipulate the UN with the false narrative about genocide in Kosovo when there was no genocide to break up Yugoslavia. It didn't sell though, so the bombed Belgrade for 78 days anyway and killed thousands.

    And I've been around long enough to know that the lie of Iraq having WMD didn't sell either, so we invaded Iraq anyway and destroyed the country which led to the deaths of millions. We killed Saddam as well.

    I've also been around also long enough to know that we were able to sell having a no fly zone in Libya, but we lied and used it as a ruse to destroy Libya the most prosperous nation in Africa, and then after promising the Russian Pres. Medvedev that we wouldn't kill Ghadafy, we did.

    Then there was the invasion and occupation of Syria which didn't sell either, but we invaded anyway under the pretext of fighting iSIS in Syria. We then supported ISiS so we could overthrow its legally elected President Assad. We are still occupying Syria illegally.

    So what else do you want to know?
     
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    You're wrong on all that. Besides most of the Iraqis killed were killed by other Iraqis.

    Thus not our problem.

    The U.S. didn't kill Quadify.

    But who cares what we promised some Russian? We're not obligated to hold up any supposed agreement made with a Russian.

    The only reason you like the Russians is because of shameless religious bigotry.
     
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    Not everyone was poor in Russia. Intelligencia, like doctors, engineers etc lived quite fine. Everyone could get higher education and had free medical care, free schools, free memberships in the sport clubs etc. By the way, it is surgeon from Ukraine, Nikolai Amosov, who raised the level of cardiology in the Soviet Union on the top world level...
     
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    An engineer was paid around 150 rubles. A cleaner was getting 100. A car was going for what, 5,000? Nothing was free - how do you think everyone was afforded all that stuff? If you remove all that spending, salaries would be multiple times higher. Government was controlling incomes and was setting salaries - so a doctor’s underpayment should be treated as a giant tax. Next - many crave “free apartments” from the soviet times, but you would be given an apartment only by your employer, and the size was determined by the size of your family. Oh, and you could have only 1 apartment. So, you had to work all your life in exchange for 1 small apartment (by American standards). In most western countries a citizen will go through several houses over their lifetime and when they die the house is inherited by relatives.
    When you put it in real perspective you can see how poor everyone was in the USSR - a surgeon could work all his life and live in, at most, a 2 bedroom apartment, and then even that would be taken away upon their death.
     
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    How? Describe the actions - what exactly was done to overthrow Ukrainian government? Did they stuff the ballots? Did they infiltrate Ukrainian military or special forces? Did they outright invade Ukraine to install Yatsenyuk? What exactly did Americans do?
    Please list facts.
     
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    Er, wut? It's war.

    How many Russian civilians (of Russian nationality) have been killed?
    How many Ukrainian civilians (of Ukrainian nationality) have been killed?
     
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    After awhile it becomes comical. Still don't know whether to laugh or cry, maybe both.
     
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    If you believe the crap Bill posts, you definitely should be laughing. At yourself.
     
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    Everything was paid by the taxes-so people did not have to pay anything extra. For example, the summer camps for the kids -they were virtually free. Same for sanatoriums, holiday houses -people paid for them significantly reduced prices. Nowadays you have to pay for everything in Russia - health care, education, etc. And no free flats. America people for the most part rented the apartments, while in the USSR they owned it. If you buy a house or an aparment in the US you have to pay it out for the rest of your life and in some cases your kids have to continue to pay for it. I do not know what do you mean by poor, but from my point of view while there were poor people in the USSR, not all people were poor. I take my own example. My mother and my father were engineers with the salaries of 170 and 200 rubles, respectively. We had a car Zhiguli, traveled every year with a car to the Black sea or North sea coast for holidays and had a decent life.
     
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    You do not need to invade the country to organize a coup. They financed it and later welcomed the change of power, although it was illegal ( https://iz.ru/news/588596).American National Endowment for Democracy, NED played a crucial role in financing NGO in 2013-2014 in Ukraine. There are open financial reports about it.
    For me it was enough to hear what was stated later by the US, European and Russian politicians to get the conclusion that the coup was organized by the US. And that they had high motivation to do that.
     
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    You actually believe this, don't you?
     
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    I do not beleive this. I know this as I was born in the USSR in a family with an average quality of life.
     
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    Well gee, it's not as if there are many to choose from.
     
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    Not sure I'd describe a period of 500 or so years as 'a while', but it certainly has been noticable. ;)
     
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    It is good that they were able to adopt the girls but that can happen without funding a foreign war.
     
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    " Go f**k yourselves !" Zelensky office tells Western Officials

    ~ Many of us Americans would like to say the same thing to our elected officials.
    I think I like Zelensky. :aww:
     
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    20 is not enough for you?
     
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    How does average quality of life looks like in USSR? Engineer's salary 150 rub per month when simple coat costs 600 rub?
     
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