Good done by Carbon Diooxide

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    http://modernfarmer.com/2016/10/seaweed-livestock-methane-emissions/
     
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    You know I read this reply and a word just popped into my head "curmudgeon" isn't that strange??

    Sheep in the northern Scottish islands have been eating seaweed for centuries.
     
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    I am guess you were self-reflecting on your attitude. 27% of the world's land mass is dedicated to beef and there are over a billion cows on the planet. .
     
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    That is a concern. But more likely it spawns commercial seaweed farms and creates new jobs. I know this is a word the righties hate, but through simple regulation, we could ensure that this doesn't result in the further rape of the oceans.
     
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    How are you going to regulate the oceans when our borders stop 3 miles out?
     
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    Do you really think it would be cost effective to farm in 2000 feet of water?

    This really isn't a big problem. The biggest problem with farming is the need for fresh water. Salt water is no problem.
     
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    No the biggest problem with farming is the deforestation happening all over Asia for palm oil and land for cows. Loggers going through Oregon and cutting trees is nothing compared to what is happening overseas, but hey, let's pretend changing our light bulbs will save the planet. We certainly don't want to start another war with ranchers. Those folks be cray cray.
     
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    Don't you think the other countries are concerned? Papua New Guinea - you know the little island above Australia - sent delegates to the Bali Road Map climate science conference - this was back in the days of GWB and climate science was a very dirty word. PNG was there because they were very worried protections showed they would have lost 50% of forestation by 2020. Amierca was filibustering and blocking the final decision until the PNG delegates stood up and told them to "lead follow or get out of the way"

    But one of the biggest impacts on fotestation is toilet paper - we are literally flushing old growth forests down the loo. Now Aussies use a LOT of recycled paper and there is a new brand here called "no issues tissues" made from bamboo

    America also leads the world in how much toilet paper you use per day

    Come over to the dark side recycled is not THAT harsh on precious petooties
     
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    I disagree. The biggest problem with farming is tillage and bare ground. 30% of carbon in the atmosphere comes from agriculture. The solution is simple... No till farming and cover crops. New grazing strategy with mob grazing. Also incorporating animals into farming systems rather than trying to phase them out.
     
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    A country doesn't need the US's cooperation in regulating its own shores. Papua New Guinea did not need US participation to stop deforestation in Papua New Guinea. :roll:
     
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    I understand what you are talking about but from what I have read it is more complicated than that. You would be saving only about 10% of the CO2 release and the 30% # I think is the estimate of the percentage of CO2 that is released over like 20 years by tilling. It is breaking new land for farming that adds to the biggest releases as opposed to how one manages existing tilled land. Land in agriculture production in the US at least is declining over time, so I am not sure you would get anywhere near the carbon banked as you seem to think. Agribusiness would never be on board with this though. They have far too much land in production, especially monocropped land.
     
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    Actually it does when principle buyers are from the USA. But this was about international treaties and trade in
     
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    No it actually doesn't. They just have to pass a law that says you can't cut down these trees. What countries want the US for is to have someone else to pay for the costs of that decision
     
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    Markets. If now one will buy the trees forestation will cease.
     
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    Are we arguing for the sake of arguing are or we being absurd just because, "Why the hell not."?
     
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    Maybe a little of both. As far as I know hunting elephants for ivory is against the law just about everywhere , but they are still killed for the tusks. If people didn't buy the ivory the elephants wouldn't be hunted. The same could go for rhino horn. Sometimes it takes an international effort to stop some harmful practices. That was the point I was trying to make.
     
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    Hhhhmmmmm more arm waving from the magic wand people

    It is NEVER as simple as that. They pass a law 50 top flight lawyers examine it for ways around it. THEN they hand it over to the under the counter boys who dance around the law in much the same way as Trump has done to avoid taxes. The real secret is to kill the market which means agreements on how much timber USA would buy
     
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    So you think a treaty will stop tilling?
     
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    I wish to god you guys trees never got to the SF Bay Area. Those are scourges. Fire traps. You need them for the Koala. We have a few in Zoos.

    You are more than welcome to come here and cut them down and take them back.
     
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    Run out of anti-science paganda?
     
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    Hard to tell, but I can hear the uproar now.
     
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    For good reason. Some crops like potatoes and peanuts require tillage on any large scale production. In addition, no-till requires a lot of chemical herbicides and works best with GMO seed. What works in one's back yard garden doesn't work in large-scale food production.
     
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    I used to think the same way but no till can be done without herbicides and increase soil fertility, organic matter, and water retention. It can be done with a cover crop of ryegrass and a roller crimper.
     
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    I am in awe - personally I am such a bad gardener that my weeds die of neglect..........
     

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