GOP caving on border wall, and immigration

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    Fox News:
    Pence just said that 'never before have we had a situation where the majority of illegals at the border were families and unaccompanied children'. What a crock! I don't know about anyone else, but I saw the caravan and a huge majority of them were young men. So why lie about it?
     
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    Y’all should definitely keep pushing the narrative that all Mexicans are criminals and keep the government shut down for as long as possible. It’s doing wonders for con polling.

    As of January 4th polling trump is slipping every new period.
    He is currently at a net approval rating of -12.0 points

    Making him the most unpopular president at this point in his presidency — ever.
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    Where
    I'm not pushing the narrative that they are all criminals, but there are definitely some bad people in the mix as there usually are in any mix. Insinuating that I am an idiot (y'all?) is typical of arrogant people like you; and as long as you insinuate I am dumb because I don't think like you: I was born and raised near Seattle and have a triple-digit IQ.

    I used to be a far-left loon, and I thought I was smarter than conservatives too. I changed 'course' in my politics after reading a book about the Russian Revolution and about the history of Russia in general. Lenin's big ideas led to nothing but massive blood shed, starvation, torture, incompetence,. It did NOTHING for the proletarian. It was all bulls*it.

    The more I came out of my Marxist haze the more I realized that liberalism--Marxism--was a ridiculous idea that would leave everyone a little bit of nothing.
    The importation of millions of third world peoples is a wealth transfer scheme from Westerners to everyone else.
     
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    cd8ed Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    You mean bad hombres?

    Y’all is southern slang and has nothen to do with your intelligence. Someone is projecting

    Sooo smart!

    So the Russians turned you into a con, you share many similarities with trump
     
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    If pense said that he is wrong
     
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    vman12 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    People bringing kids with them, not necessarily their children, is up something like 1700%.

    They're using kids to get in, thanks to Democrats.
     
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    They will use kids again once they are allowed entry. Mamma will have an anchor baby within nine months of entry. If I had one wish I would wish they change the 14th Amendment, and the rule that says no one who has been here less than five years is eligible for social benefits.
     
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    Why change the 14th when all it takes is the supreme court to say that it does not apply to illegal aliens and tourists?
     
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    And you share many similarities with Ocasio-Cortez.
    Russia didn't turn me into anything. The Bolsheviks did. They hated Russia and the Russian people. I don't consider them Russians. Their only loyalty was to themselves and International Communist Party.
    Are you a southerner? Do you usually speak in a southern dialect; or was "y'all" an insinuation that that southerners are dumb? Me thinks you are a bigot, a hater and a racist.
    Yes, but can he do that without political wrangling, votes from Congress; and if he can, then why doesn't he? Can an Executive Order fix it?
     
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    100 is triple digits and that is just an AVERAGE IQ!

    Flipflopping on a whim from extreme left to extreme right is not something that is commonplace amongst those with high IQ's.
     
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    I think it is not possible to fix at this time because congress wrote the anchor baby loophole into law

    Trump cant change that with a democrat controlled house

    But the proceedure is that congress writes anchor babies out of the law

    Trump signs it and a democrat lawer finds a quack obama judge to get an injunction

    Which eventually goes to the supreme court for a final decision
     
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    115 is a respectable IQ--high above average anyway; but I am embarrassed that I even wrote that. I was defending myself from a perceived insult to my intelligence, and to the intelligence of southerners who say, "y'all".
    "Flip-flopping"? I learned a few things reading about Russia, Lenin, Stalin. Sorry I had the nerve to be interested in history. If I had read or been taught about these things in high school, I would never have leaned to the far left. I would have been a moderate (except when it comes to immigration and multiculturalism) conservative from the beginning. In US public schools, they don't teach about the Russian Revolution and the suffering and death it caused; and there's a reason for that. There wouldn't be a bunch of far left loons out there spewing fairy tales about how everything should be free, and how much more peace loving, inclusive, fair, smart, physically more attractive and just plain nice the left is.
    To cop an ideology without furthering your knowledge about that ideology is what is not commonplace amongst those with high IQ's. To further you knowledge and not change your ideology when you find that this ideology is false is also not common amongst those with high IQ. There is something to the cliché, "live and learn".
     
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    Fat chance congress will write it out of the law. Why didn't the republicans change it when they were in the majority in house and senate? Hmmmmm. Betrayed again me thinks.

    It would be interesting to see a bill like this wend its way through to the supreme court.

    I think the left is terrified that Ginsberg is dying. They will be so irate if Trump gets to pick another supreme court justice. The left is already talking about writing a new law about term limits for SCJ. Such poor sports. Didn't bother the left when the court was stacked with liberals. No talk about term limits
     
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    Obviously so

    I would support term limits for all federal judges

    They should be replaced after X number of years

    Which will likely happen if dems control congress and the white house together is they will expand the SC and fill the new seats with flaming liberals who will rubberstamp their socialist-globalist agenda
     
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    They don't need to change it, they just need a ruling on the interpretation of "subject to the jurisdiction thereof".

    The last time it was addressed was 100 years ago.
     
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    never before did we promote traffickers to use kids as human sheilds.

    this is why you shouldnt negotiate with terrorists.
     
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    At least they're not accompanied by half a dozen sprogs.
     
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    As I understand it Federal immigration law reconizes and awards citizenship to anchor babies

    If so that requires legislative action to change
     
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    Yes but if the 14th interpretation is resolved, then those laws could be deemed unconstitutional, and void. You're talking about the laws made in 1952 and 2001 I think right?
     
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    Maybe there should be an equal number of liberals and conservatives in the supreme court; and term limits.
     
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    Would they need a super majority to change it? If not why didn't the repubs do it when they were in the majority.
     
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    I think the magic provision was written either in 1952 or ‘65

    I think its less likely to get the courts to rule unless congress creates a crisis in lib la la land by actually denying citizenship to anchor babies

    Then the globalist lib lawyers and obama judges would spring into action
     
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    Who knows.

    If you had told me in 2015 the government would be fighting to do anything about illegal immigration and build a border wall, I would have laughed myself silly.
     
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    They'd need to have SCOTUS take a look at it.

    I think a review of a 100 year old interpretation, which had nothing to do with the current situation (ark vs wong I think), and in light of recent issues, could very well be a possibility.
     
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    I just looked it up.

    US vs Wong Kim Ark.....from 1898. 120 years.
     

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