Grassley: Burisma executive who allegedly paid Biden has audio recordings of conversations with Joe,

It musta been Viktor Shokin who told you he was investigating, eh?
lol

 

Same as Clinton, Same as Obama, all the way back to Nixon has there been the argument when Presidents over document ownership both classified and unclassified. Hell go back and look at the Socks case Clinton won via the supreme court, top secret documents included. One thing for sure Biden as a Senator was never allowed to have classified information but it was in his garage, Hils was never allowed to have classified information on a private server, but she did. Presidents have that right and many more.
All that being said, it shows a true stupidity and a simple divisiveness that should make Trump unfit for office, problem is Garland made him a political martyr by charging him with espionage act designed for f'ing spies. The left is handing him the nomination, which they believe will help Biden. God I hate the thought of either Trump or Biden, this country deserves better.

 

Word play "change", nowhere in the tape with Georgia AG. Now to your point a whistleblower got us the tape with Ukraine President/Trump, so your damn right we should hear these Biden tapes and see the fbi report just like we did with Trump.

 

Takes a real genius to come up with that from my post.

 

One thing that is glaring to me is how both Grassley and Comer referred to the tapes. They said the Ukranian had tapes of him speaking to the Bidens, but carefully word it so that they never say that the tapes have anything to do with a $5 million dollar payout to anyone. Just that the Ukranian has tapes of him speaking with Hunter and Joe. To me, this indicates either they don't know or are intentionally using deceptive tactics.
I won't believe it until they produce the evidence.
Not because I love Joe Biden that much, because honestly I would like to see both Trump and Biden eliminated from the 2024 presidential election, but Grassley and Comer have pulled some bs stunts of late and they have been woefully short of evidence.

 

I agree with a lot of this, all the house committee's on both sides do this, god just look at the russian collusion bs they put us through. What makes this a tad different is the laptop and how hard the Biden administration pushed russian disinformation. Geez 51 intelligence officers and having the fbi tell social media companies what to allow and not on the reporting. Crazy stuff and sure points to a cover up. The laptop shows us Hunter was involved anywhere and everywhere he could set up a pay for play and he had nothing to play but pops sure did. This is very serious stuff and it needs to uncovered. If hunter was playing the game on his own, throw his ass in jail for not reporting as a foreign agent. If Pop's was involved him getting thrown out of office will suffice.

 

Sure , get 218 vote in House to impeach Biden. Let's see if Speaker Kevin get 218 vote to impeach Biden

 

Does Trump’s motive matter for the Espionage Act?

'Republicans have focused on how Trump isn’t actually accused of spying or hurting the United States. But legal experts say that probably doesn’t matter.'

snip:

'The section of the Espionage Act at issue is 18 U.S.C. § 793(e). This makes it a crime to have “unauthorized possession of, access to, or control over [information] … the possessor has reason to believe could be used to the injury of the United States or to the advantage of any foreign nation,” and to “willfully” retain it while failing “to deliver it to the officer or employee of the United States entitled to receive it.”
The question here is what is the required mens rea, i.e., mental state, for Trump to have broken the law.

As a report from the Congressional Research Service last month noted, some provisions of the Espionage Act (a through c) require “intent or reason to believe” that the national defensive information involved “is to be used to the injury of the United States, or to the advantage of any foreign nation.” But the particular provision at issue in the Trump case only requires the defendant to act “willfully” and with “reason to believe” the information “could” be used in such a manner.'


https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2023/06/13/does-trumps-mental-state-matter-espionage-act/

 

Word play “I just want to find 11,780 votes”…….

Yeah, because real criminals try to hide their real criminality

You seriously cannot this these 2 are even in the same realm right ?


But I’m ok with them being released. But you can bet your right cheek that if those tapes DID contain what you claim, they would have been a “whistleblower”. But like most everything else, when they hide these things, it’s usually because that holds more political leverage, because their is no legal leverage.

 

I do not put much credence in what the politicians say about anything. It does show that they are playing to the voters, which is a good thing in a way, but leads to much disinformation.
For me, the laptop(s) situation was ruined by Giuliani. He had too much influence with it, and forensic analysis of the copy shows that it was doctored. We haven't seen the forensic analysis of the original by the FBI, which I would like to hear about. The only thing we know about is the *copy* Giuliani provided to the Post, so in a logical thought process for me it doesn't factor in. Imo, it doesn't show a thing as far a legality. I already knew Hunter was kind of a scumbag.
I agree that the FBI should investigate and try and get to the bottom of it. If Joe has some dirt on his hands, I doubt we'll hear about it while he is president, as the government tends to be extremely protective of presidents. Unless they press their luck and give them a compelling reason, but most don't, until now.
My prediction is that Hunter will catch some lesser charges, taxes, etc. and Joe will not be charged with anything. I could be wrong, for example, that their is some solid proof that Joe did something untoward while he was president or vice president, but if there was solid proof, I think it would be informed of such. Joe has been a politician for a long time, and that usually leads to making wise decisions and being really good at covering their tracks. Occasionally we have the idiot who doesn't do well with that, but they seem to be few and far between.
Anyway, thanks for the respectful response!

 

You think plans to attack iran are are over classified?

 

Are you talking about the document referenced in one of the conversations cited in the indictment? If so, we have very little to go on as the indictment doesn't disclose which, if any of the documents listed, was being discussed. We also don't know the context of whatever operation the document covered. The conversation appears to reference a plan that Trump never authorized or requested and, since the document is referenced as being "secret" it most likely would not have included more than a general strategy.

 

Link to reports of an FBI investigation on this at the time?

$10 million? LOL, Let me know when they reach Diaper Donnie's hundreds of milions laundered or $2 BILLION for Diaper Donnie's SIL, Kushner, the genious who bought 666 at the peak of the bubble and had to be rescued by the Saudi's, lol

BTW, Would love an actual link to Biden's receiving $10 million, not some BS ubconfirmed ALLIGATION from Rudy and his olk!

 

Yah the one trump says: this is secret, look at this

 

The law says that the government “shall reserve and retain complete ownership, possession, and control of presidential records.”

It defines presidential records as materials the president or his staff create or receive in the course of their official duties. It excludes personal documents, like diaries and political campaign files, and files produced by agencies, which are instead governed by the Federal Records Act.

NOT THE PRA

https://www.nytimes.com/2022/09/14/us/politics/trump-presidential-records-act.html

NO PAYWALL
https://archive.ph/4fHRy

 

OK, seems we're talking about the same thing.

Attack plans come in all shapes and sizes. Some are assessments of faction capabilities. Some are assessments of political ramifications. Some might assess strategic interests. Some might be focused on economic impact of a conflict. Since the document in question seems to be "secret" it's most likely a general concept. The fact that someone drew up a concept plan to attack Iran (or any other country) isn't the least bit surprising and the fact that it was classified at all was most likely due to the fact that public disclosure of such a plan could be politically embarrassing. I am not the least bit concerned that disclosure of this document occurred and especially not concerned based on the context regarding why it was disclosed. If you're going to classify a document for political reasons and then a politician discloses the existence of the document I just have a hard time getting worked up over that.

 

of course not - because he has no interest in investigating anything related to Biden. Disgraceful

 

Ironic vacuous post.

 

So you don’t think it could have had anything about Possible weaknesses and I ran’s defense, or expose anything about our capabilities? That seems like a very strange argument to make about a plan to attack a foreign nation

 

Cool, then Comer and Grassley have him now? lol

GOP Senator Admits Republicans Don’t Care if Accusations Against Joe Biden Are “Accurate”

Republicans have totally lost the plot with their investigation into Joe Biden.

“We are not interested in whether the allegations against Vice President Biden are accurate or not,” Grassley said Thursday morning on Fox News. “We’re responsible for making sure the FBI does its job, and that’s what we want to know.”


https://news.yahoo.com/republicans-not-interested-whether-biden-175055975.html

 

Nah

 

And most ironically that was Chuckles The Clown himself........the Trump Party is full inverted off the cliff.

 

YOU GUYS NEED TO GROW UP AND START READING ACTUAL HISTORY

The Clinton sock drawer case, briefly explained


The actual sock drawer case doesn’t bear much resemblance to Trump’s own. Clinton kept tapes in his sock drawer of his interviews with historian Taylor Branch documenting an oral history of his time in the White House. Those tapes were the basis of Branch’s 2009 book The Clinton Tapes: Wrestling History with the President.

In 2010, the conservative group Judicial Watch sought a court order requiring the National Archives to designate the tapes as “presidential records” under the Presidential Records Act and to require Clinton to turn them over. The National Archives told Judicial Watch when it brought the case that the government had already concluded the tapes weren’t presidential records and that the Archives didn’t have the power to reconsider that decision: The power to designate presidential records lies with the sitting president.

It’s not a limitless authority. Presidents can’t just retain any document that pertains to official business because they say it’s personal, as Trump has tried to do in his case. But typically, documents created as part of the president’s fulfillment of their official duties constitute presidential records, while personal diaries, journals, and documentary material are considered personal effects.


https://www.vox.com/politics/2023/6/14/23761119/trump-biden-clinton-pence-sock-document-case

 

It's what the GOP has done for 30+ years, pull BS out of their $ss aand throw it on the wall to see what might stick, and how many of their rubes will buyy into their BS

See BJ Bill's $70 million "investigations" where he lied about sex, Hillary and the 11 Bengazzzzzzi' hearings, Dubya's election "fraud" 5 year unprecedented DOJ investigation where they prosecuted 32 people (most ex felons not aware they couldn't vote), etc

 

lol..
Meanwhile Billy Barr is the one who shut down Vance Jr.s SDNY investigation into the hush money.

lol


Garland Appoints Special Counsel to Investigate Biden ...

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Jan 12, 2023 — Attorney General Merrick B. Garland appointed Robert K. Hur, a veteran prosecutor, to lead the investigation into classified documents found ...