"Growing up godless"--America's secular families raising kids are doing "quite well"

Most religious people are hardly believers. In fact its increasingly clear that a substantial bulk of people will, for example in Australia, call themselves "Christian" on the national census thinking that this refers to their cultural upbringing, rather than actual belief or religious adherence. The other thing too which perpetuates the ignorance and backward institution of religion is the unfortunate fact that many believers are almost always indoctrinated at a young age and often live in low socio-economic areas, ie they dont know any better.

 

I would have to say that an agnostic worldview is an honest one. Saying you do not know if God exists is closer to reality.

The last century saw more death and destruction from atheist regimes than the black plague.

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Sounds like the "no true Scotsman" fallacy in reverse. I guess atheists need to tell themselves such things to feel OK with their unpopular "non belief". It looks like atheists are made up of a bunch of white guys if you look at their conventions....real sausagefests.

 

How so?

You guess, do you? Well, maybe, but probably not. I mean, only a strange person would seriously base the validity of their views on popularity, dont you agree? Except teenagers and politicians, of course.

"Looks like" huh? Amazing argument bro.

 

Jesus Christ said only a Good Tree may produce Good Fruit. But what did HE mean by that? Does HE mean only Christians are good? No certainly not. HE means to take ownership of all that is good. If it is good it came from HIM, HIS spirit. HIS essence. Whether YOU know it or not is partly what defines a Christian.

An example of satanism in America is the claim that any good comes from Man. Most certainly it does not.

The rivers which flow out of Eden do not propagate from Man but from God, likewise the rivers which water the tree of life.

 

How so? It is self explanatory.

It is good you admit this.

Ever seen the crowd at an atheist convention/hot dog cart? Again, self explanatory.

 

And you know this...how?

You are posting your religious ideology and that is fine...but it is ONLY an ideology.

Reality is quite something different all together.

AboveAlpha

 

Why should anyone care about cryptic spiritual tripe Jesus blathered on about?

 

Somehow that tripe changed the world so profoundly that only the anti-christian Muslims managed to use a different Calendar. I don't see anyone setting their watch by you let alone all history of the known world.

 

Your statement makes no sense, Christ's words are commonsense to anyone with a basic understanding of their native language that HIS Word has been translated into.

Religious ideology has nothing to do with what Jesus said. Religious ideology is a nonsensical statement, because religion cannot be an ideology. Ideology is defined as: http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/ideology "beliefs" etc. which guides behavior/practices.

James defines Religion in his epistles as the "practice" of your faith, the works.

So you to say 'religious ideology" is to imply that ideology is works which it is not.

And typically ideology is secular, sectarian beliefs would be called doxology.

 

If you dont want to justify your argument I wont force you.

Again, how so? Ie, what did I admit?

Another amazing argument

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You are saying that those words you quoted changed the calender? How so?

Is that the determinate factor of a valid view? LOL News to me.

The funniest thing about your entirely illogical comment is that it didnt even attempt to answer my question, so I'll say it again:
Why should anyone care about cryptic spiritual tripe Jesus blathered on about?

 

You say "his" words. Did Jesus write the Bible?

 

Sane people do just fine despite the overbearing protestations of all three Abrahamic death cults.

What a surprise, huh.

 

OK....and you DO know why that out of 12 Apostles only the FAB 4...Matthew, Mark, Luke and John's Gospels were chosen right?

You know WHY the Roman Imperial Biblical Canon which CREATED BOTH THE OLD AND NEW TESTAMENETS REFUSED Revelation to be placed in the New Testament over 7 Times...right?

You KNOW that there does NOT exists a SINGLE SOLITARY EXISTING ORIGINAL GOSPEL as all Gospels were destroyed by the Romans and what we have are COPIES OF COPIES OF COPIES OF COPIES MANY TIMES OVER AGAIN.....THAT HAD TO BE WRITTEN FROM MEMORY as the Romans would kill whoever had written and kept the Gospel of an Apostel and BURN OR DETROY that copy and the Christians havig no copy would have to rewrite a new Gospel HUNDREDS OF YEARS AFTER THE DEATH OF THE APOSTEL FROM MEMORY thus all Gospels are HIGHLY SUSPECT TO THEIR ACCURACY OR VERACITY???

YOU KNOW THIS RIGHT??

Of course you don't.

What you are calling....HIS WORD....is really instead the words of whatever poor SOB who was next to be killed by the Romans wrote down and MADE UP!!!

AboveAlpha

 

All you need to shut me up is a well articulated basis for your morality. Why is anything 'right' and why is anything 'wrong'? What is the source of this wisdom?

But don't bother. You won't make a compelling case and I won't debate half assed nonsense.
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that seems to be an american phenomenon. here public schools far outrank private schools academically.

 

you seem a little confused. you seem to be under the impression that your personal superstitions somehow apply to others, even going so far as to suggest anyone with common sense would embrace these superstitions.

but since you have wandered into the wrong house, I'll play along and insist you embrace my preferred personal superstition. I'm very partial to Norse gods, so we'll run with that. They've all been translated into English so you will instantly understand that they are for all mankind. And besides, if you don't, your children will be evil and Thor will torture you.

 

you want compelling? go to Norway.

whatever method is used to demonise atheism during indoctrination is some powerful medicine. they can stare at a 'moral' atheist squate in the face and say 'nope, nothing there'. brainwashed to register only 'bad' atheists, I guess. like a stage hypnotist implanting a meme.

 

Justify or explain? It is a simple concept. Why do some people have trouble understanding simple concepts?

 

At one time, the majority of the world also believed the Earth was flat. The fact something has an impact or that many hold a certain belief, does not validate that belief.

Has Christianity had an impact? Absolutely. Is Christianity the one truth because many people believe in it? Nope, that is why it is called faith and not fact.

 

What is your point, I made it very clear by saying, business owners are "mostly" conservative.
The pay their fair share meme is so inaccurate and worn out, I don't see how you can you say that with a straight face.

If they're not paying their fair share, why is it that the top 20% of tax payers pay well over 70% of all income taxes?
And what about the almost 50% who don't pay a damn dime in income taxes, where's their fair share, get your facts straight.
BTW, infrastructure is suppose to be paid for with excise fuel taxes, are you saying business owners don't pay their fair share of gas taxes, please.

 

What admission did I make?

 

Where did I claim you made an admission?

 

You're misattributing Godwin's law. Godwin's law simply says that if an internet thread lasts long enough, Hitler will be used in an argument. It says nothing about shutting down a thread if Hitler is used. It's not a law in the sense of justice. It's a law in sense of a pseudoscientific law that describes what will happen.

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Are there public schools in Uzbekistan?

 

You misread my post....where did I say anything about shutting down a thread. I merely pointed out Godwin's law.

 

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