Gun Owners Defy Gun Banners In NY & Connecticut

Its already been reported that most Connecticut gun owners have refused to comply with the Connecticut gun control act passed after Sandy Hook. Estimates are that 100,000 people have refused to register their "assault weapons".

Now we see that New York gun owners are defying the misnamed "SAFE Act" rammed through the NY state legislature. A paltry 25,000 or so New Yorkers registered their "assault weapons" as required by the SAFE Act. Estimates are there are 500,000 owners of "assault weapons" in New York state.
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/pol...s-registry-numbers-released-article-1.2267730

Gun banners calls for NY law enforcement to enforce the SAFE Act have run into the same problems Connecticut ran into - the impossible task of enforcing a law which has been so widely and openly disregarded.

But in NY its even worse since many upstate pro-gun police departments and local governments refuse to enforce the law. Some upstate local governments even passed their own legislation banning enforcement of the SAFE Act by local law enforcement.

Gun banners have gotten themselves in a difficult position. To force compliance will mean a bloodbath in their state and will pit the anti-gun state organizations squarely in conflict with the people of the state, putting an end to the lie that gun banners and "progressives" just want to promote public safety and they have the support of the people.

Such a violent enforcement will also highlight the fact that gun banners and the State can be defied and completely defeated, and that is a death blow to "progressive" totalitarians. There will be deaths on both sides at first, but the anti-gun law enforcement side is completely outnumbered and outmatched - and they know it which is why they refuse to take action even when pressed by politicians and anti-gun zealots in the media.

However, the people in NY and Connecticut can't declare victory yet. The "progressives" are nothing if not vicious when it comes to maintaining their power over people, they don't walk away or admit a mistake.

Do you think the "progressives" will leave the NY and Connecticut people alone, or do you think they will go to the extreme and formulate a joint state/federal plan to forcibly search and confiscate firearms?

Or will the progs come up with a more subtle scheme in which suspected gun owners are labeled "mentally ill" and their homes searched, or maybe a sudden surge of "anonymous tips" of drugs or threatening actions which result in SWAT raids of suspected gun owners?

 

When people have freedom they are not easily going to just let it be taken away. That's what guns are—having the means of force to defend freedom—not that the people are likely to use it, but the means is there and they have it.

If the common people can't be trusted with guns, there is no reason why we should not just be living under a police state—after all, the people can't be trusted and the government needs to keep everyone "safe". What first started appearing in airports has been gradually spreading to the rest of U.S. society.

 

Another strike against the "progressives"-
Gun owners appear to be educating themselves and each-other about what is at stake here, the Constitutional legality, and where to place the price of freedom. This cannot end well.

 

Much freedom was lost when republicans passed the patriot act.

 

And no one has argued otherwise.

 

But was cheered for as needed. I was just noting hypocrisy on freedoms lost and some only care about certain ones and not so much as the invasion of privacy.

 

Whether you're saying that I'm a hypocrite, or looking at hypocrisy in general, doesn't matter.
Except for the window dressing, do you think there's any difference between R&D? They have both executed the same agenda ever since they killed Kennedy.

 

IMO, R&D do the same thing. They are 1 party on a 2 headed coin. Bad cop, good cop, they switch roles periodically.

 

Yup. The "Patriot Act" was a joint effort, just as the ACA was and is. It's the social engineers who pull the strings to make it look like politicians are the good and bad cops. LBJ had his thousand points of light. Reagan had his New World Order. Osama has "my ideas". All synonyms.
Why looky there! My crystal ball is working. It shows me a little scene where the military has switched from firearms to energy weapons. Something like a miniaturized version of this:
http://www.onr.navy.mil/Media-Center/Fact-Sheets/Free-Electron-Laser.aspx
Joe public will not be allowed access to these, because they are not considered "arms" as the CONUS is written.
Once the military doesn't need "arms", the social engineers will decide that Joe Public doesn't need them either. Drones that are equipped with these FEL lasers will lock on the signals from the oh so "smart" phones of suspected Joes, and uh... "neutralize" the opposition. Here comes Utopia.

 

Wrong, both parties passed the Patriot Act (and FISA and NDAA and all the various offshoots), both parties reauthorized it, both parties expanded its scope. Both Bush 43 and obama expanded their own powers to spy, arrest, detain, and for obama even kill Americans at their discretion.

When the Patriot Act first came up, only one man in the Senate had the guts and foresight to vote against it - Russ Feingold, Democrat Senator from Wisconsin.

The Patriot Act reauthorization in 2009 occurred when the Democrats had total control of the Congress and obama was President.

Its totally ridiculous to claim the Patriot Act / NDAA / FISA were the result of only Republicans.

 

True that. I meant they spearheaded it and yes the D's took it and ran with it when they had the power.
That is why we can't let any party put in laws to limit our freedoms, once we lose them, we will never get them back. Ever.

 

This cannot end well for gun owners. Get caught, go to the big house breaking big rocks into small rocks. That you want something does not give you the right not to be punished for your crimes. The Republicans taught us that.

 

Freedom.....was never "Free". But most Americans now feel that since it was given to them before, someone will give it to them again. Wrong.

And I especially like this one....

"All that is required for evil men to prevail is for good men to do nothing...."


That says it all about our current situation.

 

If only Americans woke up and decided they would not take the overstep of government past it's legal boundaries. It would not end well for anyone including those supporting that government. But people are still far too comfy and entertained.

When the music (and entertainment) stops and real discomfort sets in, and the supply lines falter....that's when people will begin to do more than post on forums.
I do believe the fabric of this society is being held together by very thin strings and any one of thousands of events could trigger a collapse of it.

 

Unless you are a hispanic field worker, I doubt you have much say in supply lines.

 

Where do you get that bull? I have plenty to say on "supply lines" and I don't depend upon hispanic field workers either.

 

Sure you do.

 

Actually I do. Really?

 

Sure you do right up until somebody else does while you are sitting in prison if you disobey gun laws and get caught even if you had exclusive control of something, which I am sure you don't unless the something is not particularly important like RONCO Infrared solar powered hot dog cookers.

 

I didn't know civilians had assault rifles or weapons. These rifles are not assault anything if you can't fire them on automatic or machine gun style.

the United States Defense Department’s Defense Intelligence Agency book Small Arms Identification and Operation Guide explains, “assault rifles” are “short, compact, selective-fire weapons that fire a cartridge intermediate in power between submachine gun and rifle cartridges. In other words, assault rifles are battlefield rifles which can fire automatically.

Can any of the so called assault weapons do this?

 

Our soldiers would never want to go to battle with these so called "assault weapons".

 

With a few very minor tweaks, yes they can, just saying.

 

Why not, many are better made than an M4 and as I said a few minor tweaks and it can fire full auto. But if you mean would I want to fight using one, heck yes, some of us can squeeze a trigger nearly as fast and stay on target while doing so with no problem at all. Anyone truly prepping will either have one or is consider getting one, or two or three, opps.

 

Calling these rifles Assault Weapons is just wrong. Fear mongering at its best.

 

Ahem!
You do know that AR15 lowers are made a bit differently than M16/M4 lowers, don't you? The fire control group from a selective fire lower can't fit in an AR lower.
That appears to be a relatively recent development. A friend of mine bought an "AR" from "someone". He brought it along one day when we went shooting. He took careful aim, pulled the trigger, and Yikes! it fired a 3 round burst. He tried it again, and it happened again.
I happened to have the ArmaLite trigger group from my lower, because I had recently upgraded my trigger. We switched them out. His selective fire group was no bigger than the one we replaced it with.