Guns and race: The different worlds of black and white Americans

So your solution is just to give up because some criminals manage to circumvent the law? By that logic, we might as well get rid of all laws and live in a total state of anarchy. I think straw man purchases could be discouraged by better enforcement of the law. The BATFE definitely needs more funding and manpower to accomplish this. I think requiring both the buyer and seller to keep a record of a gun sale would make gun tracing easier. A nationwide one handgun a month law would do a lot to slow down gun trafficking. Universal background checks would reduce gun trafficking too. Ignorance would no longer be an acceptable excuse for selling guns to someone with a record.

 

Has it ever occurred to you that criminals just might seek and find other sources of guns? Libs overlook the law of unintended consequences.

 

I said nothing about giving up on the effort to reduce gun violence.
It can be significantly reduced without the war on guns.
FBI says 71% of those arrested for violent gun crime have previously been arrested. Let's try criminal justice reform and stop the revolving door of recidivists. Stop the plea bargains and make violent gun crime a federal offense. ... There, created 71% fewer victims.
We need to address the lack of security in our schools.
We need to address the broken mental health system in our country.
We need to fix NICS, it doesn't always flag people that are ineligible to purchase firearms, and often does flag people the wrong people.
We need to abandon the war on drugs and make room for violent criminals.

We should do these now and see if our gun violence stats don't dramatically drop.

None of this will happen because the gun control agenda is more important to gun restrictionists than making a dent in gun violence stats.

 

If easy access to guns is a cause, then why is violent crime and gun related crime so highly correlated to the big cities? Why does DC have some of the strictest gun laws and one of the highest violent crime rates in the nation, yet next door Virginia (literally across a bridge) with fairly relaxed gun laws has low violent crime? Why does Australia with its gun ban have much lower gun related crime than the USA but far greater violent crime?

I absolutely deny that easy access to guns is part of the problem, and I absolutely deny that a solution to inner city violence is any form of national gun restrictions. These cities already have the strictest gun controls in the nation, some (like Chicago and DC) bordering on near bans. Making it harder for the rest of the nation to access guns is not addressing the real problems at all.

But we all know that the real problems are not the issue, "progressives" want to disarm the nation and crime is their fig leaf.

 

Then you are saying it is alright if some members of society are murdered, so long it is as a certain level. Give us a specific, round number that you consider to be acceptable with regard to people being murdered, rather than claiming a murder rate that is similar to some unspecified, supposedly developed nation. Be specific in your argument.

You are the one claiming that firearm laws should be changed to the black community will stop murdering its own members.

For the sake of hypothetical discussion, let us say that my location of residence is indeed in the united states, and I am lacking a moral objection to selling a firearm to someone who I either know, or have sufficient reason to believe is legally prohibited from firearms ownership, and they intend to commit a crime with it five minutes after the transaction is completed.

Assuming the above requirements have been met, getting around a mandated background check would take no effort whatsoever. Without a corresponding centralized registry of every single firearm in the united states, with every single one of the more than three hundred million firearms in circulation being entered into the database, there would be no way of telling whether or not a background check ever took place. There would be no transaction records to cite or investigate, therefore the risk of discovery and prosecution would be exceedingly slim, especially with the current administration having an abysmal record for prosecution of straw purchasers, and firearm traffickers.

Even if all firearms were registered to their respective owners, this is easy enough to get around. Simply sell the firearm without performing a background check, and then five minutes later file a report with the police, alleging that a prospective buyer inquired about a firearm advertised for sale, and during the examination period to determine whether or not they wished to carry out the purchase, they ran off with it and could not be caught.

If I were trafficking multiple firearms, I would allege that the one inquiring about the purchase of a firearm came armed with their own firearm, and demanded that I supply them with every firearm I had on hand, fearing that I would be murdered if I did not comply with their demands.

The onus would be on the government to prove that my report was false, and that I actually sold the firearm or firearms without carrying out the corresponding background check. There would be very little evidence for them to go on, they would have little reason to disbelieve the report of the firearm or firearms being stolen, and even if they did, the only two individuals who knew the full truth would be myself, and the prohibited individual who they were sold to in the first place. By lacking a criminal record that would disqualify myself from owning a firearm, my account of events would by default be believed, as I would have no reason to submit false information. The disqualified individual can claim that he was sold the firearms, but there would be no reason for their account to be regarded as accurate or honest. The only way government could prove that the firearm or firearms were indeed sold, rather than stolen, would be if I admitted to having performed an illegal sale, which I would have no reason or motivation to admit to. Without my confession, it comes down to who government wishes to believe more on the matter; the one with no criminal record, or the one who has proven that they cannot abide by the rules of society, and cannot be trusted to exercise responsibility.

All of this is purely hypothetical, at least within this context. If I am fully able to understand this, it is without any doubt understood by those who are in the business of trafficking firearms, as they are the professionals on the matter. Their livelihood depends on being more knowledgeable than government on how to get around the law.

The fact remains that Arthur Kellerman's study was never peer reviewed, and the outcome of his data has never been replicated by anyone who has been given access to both his data, and the methodology of his study. If the data cannot be replicated consistently when examined by others, then it is not accurate or reliable.

Answer this question. If supposed easy access to firearms is a problem that must be addressed, why is the white community not murdering its members with the same regularity and frequency as the black community? Why are whites capable of showing far greater restraint in this matter?

"Some" is a relative term in this respect. Tens of thousands of criminals are not only circumventing the law, but outright defying it. The current administration is at an all time low when it comes to prosecuting straw purchasers and firearms traffickers.

There exist problems for which no solutions exist. Not simply no easy solutions, but no solutions whatsoever. Firearms being acquired and abused by those who should not have them is one such problem. It is a matter of arrogance to believe that there are no situations that cannot be solved if enough funding and legislation is presented.

See above for as to why this would make no difference.

 

White on black violence
White on white violence
Black on white violence
Black on black violence

From most televised to least this seems to be the order in which society is outraged. Blacks have a high rate of murder and that's a tragedy because black lives are supposed to matter, but if you imply the number of black people are murderers is a problem then you're racist. Who kills more black people, blacks or whites? Gang violence is a big problem in the black community and that is what we should address.