Hamas supports nation-wide referendum on Zionism.

But Margot's statement that the Soviet Unions involvement on behalf of the Arabs as a 'myth' is shown to be a lie. Or, ignorance. And I see you offer nothing to disprove that.

Which shows all you ever offer is 'gas'.

Quantrill

 

Mr R - I wouldnt deny , that I've heard that crap Zionist/Israeli BS propaganda many times before recognizing it for what it is. . Truthfully, there was a time when I too bought into it, until I read/discovered the writings of Jewish (albeit minority writers) , like Prof.Ilan Pappe, Chomsky, Tom Segev . Uri Avney of Gush Shalom, etc,etc. More enlightening was what I learnt from Neturei Karta,
Jews-not-Zionists , Rabbis for Human Rights , B'Tselem , the Peace Now movement, and the revulsion I felt when listening to Rabbis like Josef Ovadia . the Kahannists, and the history abt octrpcities committed by Jewish terrorists orgs , Abraham Stern, Yitzhak Shamir/Menachem Begin , etc.etc.

GO LISTEN TO THE JEWISH thieving SETTLERS building on land (not recognised as Israeli , , by any other nation, even Israel's closest friend , US , and then come tell me why you think some Palestinian groups like Hamas are as they are ?

Do you know the role the Israeli govt played in its initial support /encouragement in the establishment of HAMAS ?

If you dont know it , then go learn.

When you're ready, + no further diversions, , I'll dig out my file on the Wandering Who ?



Shalom - Peace. + byee for now.


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Queertroll , I wasnt talking to you. For now you're on ignore , so F. O. until I'm in a better mood.

 

Chomsky....Ive read Chomsky.....not making your case any better.

Your issue is you paint all Jews as fundamental Zionist settlers.

Try not being so broad...otherwise youre no better than folks who think all Muslims are AQ.

 

LOL! Nothing like referencing Chomsky to completely kill any pretense of credibility.

For a good larf try this,
http://www.lawyersgunsmoneyblog.com/2011/05/very-briefly-on-chomsky

 

Promises, promises.

It doesn't matter I was talking to you. Its very well documented, the Soviet support of the Arabs in the cold war years. And of course Margot has to say its a myth, but then he/she has been caught lying before.

And you offer nothing and can't offer nothing to support that claim as it just isn't true.

So, go ahead and keep talking out your gas. Its what you do best.

Quantrill

 

Mr R , chomsky is only one out of many others. Beside he's certainlt brighter more successful + respected in many quarters than you .

Its not a question of painting all Jews as fundamentalist zionists settlers , I've just NOT come any Jews (apart from those I've mentioned) who condemn their land grabbing and attacks on non-Jewish Palestinians. Have you ever posted a condemnation of their crimes ? The fact remains that fundamentalist Zionists settlers have considerable influence on Israel's expansion beyong its 1967 borders.


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This is what I think of you queertroll .

 

I don't care. Your bad breath is already known. I thought you said you put me on your ignore list? I knew it was too good to be true.

Quantrill

 

lol...not from what Ive read. He doesnt even seem to very good at his chosen field of expertise...as a linguist.Since you know nothing about me Im not even sure how you can make such a foolish assmuption. Its easy to be 'successful' when one has sheep, like yourself, to beckon to his every antisemitic call...buy his books,watching his antiimperialist diatribes on CSPAN,citing his insane,mostly inaccurate rantings. Many folks also respect Hitler still as well...amazing isnt it? Bernie Madoff was quite successful as well.

I know,theres no question about it....youre doing it.I most certainly have questioned Israel insistance on being so hardheaded in their stances on the settlements.Makes things exponentially difficult for themselves.Its obviously a matter of principle for them-a common theme in this part of the world. Ive had things to say about the psycho orthodox Jews who really are no better than their Islamic fundamentalist nutjob equivilents. The issue here is you folks use the term 'zionist' in a negative and disingenous manner...plain and simple.

Goes back to 1948...the Arabs shouldve been looking to create a state instead of destroying one. Today they could have the Islamic Republic of Palestine and Id have absolutely no issue with it. They were then, as many of their leaders (and fans,like yourself) are now just not happy with an Israel, at all.

Thing is Israel is there,its not going anywhere soon. The sooner Arabs understand this ,the sooner theyll have their own Arab state...which they may call 'Palestine' or whatever else they like.

 

So you say ...................
Chomsky’s a Shyster

Documents Please




If you are going to Smear someone
& disregard them out of Hand
At least have the courtesy & courage
to Document your case against them

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Sadly, many Zionists have a terrible reputation of being heavily Jew-hostile. Often, nobody hates Jews more than the typical Zionist, as demonstrated with their unconditional hatred of Chomsky.

 

"I write about peace and criticize the barriers to peace; that's easy. What's harder is to create a better world... and what's so exciting about at last visiting Venezuela is that I can see how a better world is being created."-Noam Chomsky

"The fact of the matter is that the majority of the world supports Iran."
-Noam Chomsky


"Thus Obama was simply lying when he said, in his White House statement, that “we quickly learned that the 9/11 attacks were carried out by al Qaeda.”
Nothing serious has been provided since."-Noam Chomsky

"The siege of Gaza itself does not have the slightest credible pretext."-Noam Chomsky

 

Hmmm. You know, you guys ,the pro-zionist/pro-israel camp , are forever trying to shift ALL THE BLAME - and saying what the Arabs should + should'nt have done .

HOW ABOUT - what the Zionists should + should'nt have done ? Like coming to Palestine as friends (or cousins if you like)
showing the resident inhabitants goodwill to creat a state for ALL , - jew and non-Jew - instead of buying land from Turkish landlords and evicting the fellaheen - the peasant farmers - taking away their livelihoods. ?

How abt the zionists coming as friends instead of with a plan to dispossess/displace the Palestinian Arabs (Muslim + Christian) iin order to create your Zionists state . ? Converting a Jewish minority into a Jewish majority ?

You keep harping on abt Islamic Republics , which to me is irrelevent BS . Did you know Palestinians (Muslim + Christians) are the most secular of Arabs - ? even under the Ottomans/during Br.Mandate - Palestinians were'nt fundamentalists .

Mr. R that sound a bit like Central European or just sheer supremist arrogance. It maight hel if they are referred to as PALESTINIANS they are distinct from other Arabs , just as Welsh are from Englishmen/Scots or Irish . Palestinians are not Iragi/Iranians/Egyptian etc.,

They are not the only oneS who should "sooner " understand some things , there's a great deal , which I think , the Jews/Zionists/Israelis etc, should also "sooner " understand , if they are to live in peace with their neighbours , and learn to make friends instead of making enemies. \

But then they wouldnt be able to play on American taxpayers sympathy - would they ?


SHALOM .

 

I don't think he'd be willing to hold such a referendum if he wasn't dead sure that the Palestinians would reject Zionism outright. Hell, I reject Zionism and I've never been to Palestine.

 

Mr R - read my post . Chomsky is quite capable of defending himself if defence is at all required.

Its what he said abt Israel + zionisms which is of more interest to me . His opinions abt Donald Duck + Father Christmas etc.etc is irrelevent.


...NUFF said. shalom

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I suspect the Jews were a bit skeptical,angry and frightened after being practically wiped out during WWII. I suppose the Arabs welcomed them with open arms and the Jews simply blindsided them with their unwillingness to come in with hugs and kisses?

Did the Arabs have a chance to have their Palestine or not?

Really all it boils down to.

It was Arab arrogance and hatred that has them now begging for the land they could have had numerous times years and years ago.

When youre constantly the subject of threats,like being pushed into the Mediterranean Sea...its difficult to be freindly.

 

The fact he's clueless about a great many topics subtracts from his supposed credibility about matters he is allegedly an expert like zionism. Of course being a Jew, folks like you seize the opportunity to prop him up as an authority but like you, its merely his own take on zionism-instead of what most folks consider it to be...which he admits freely is closer to anti-zionism than being an actual advocate for Jewish state. He like you beleives in the untenable goal of a one state where Jews and Arabs frolic like children in the park-sharing cultures and swapping recipes-which most of us recognize can never happen under the current conditions...conditions formulated decades and decades ago by both "sides".

 

I can seee that you're blinkered and can only see "Arab arrogance " and pathetical blind to the most arrogant of the two i.e. Jewish arrogance.

btw - Are you a Jew ? If so then I can where you're coming from.

fyi - I get along with diaspora - British Jews - no problem, but , I dont know how many Israelis you've met and close contacts with, my personal experience has been that they're amongst odious , obnoxious. arrogant , SOBs - on gods good earth.

I've been + seen , Tel-Aviv , J'Lem , Hebron , (on calm days ) and saw enough to know what I'm talking about.



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I am not a Jew.

BTW I think I found your cat...



Arrogance:

Arab League Secretary Azzam Pasha on September 16, 1947:

And they did...the end.

 

Mr R you disappoint me, I , erroneously , thought you capable of a more intelligient response. TUT-TUT

But as you claim NOT being a jew , then from yr posts I take it you're just another GOY sucked in by zionist propaganda ..

I , too once sympathized with , what I thought , were victims of discrimination, and Israel's existence being threatend by zillions of stark raving bloodthirsty A-rabs, until I visited Israel and saw the situation , in daylight.

No $hit , I was shocked and it took me many months to strart asking questions, like WHY - HOW - WHEN - WHAT FOR AND who are the real, culprits .

As long as you remain entenched in yr apparent staunch pro-zionist support , its unlikely that you and I , like the Zionists and non-jews of that area, would come to any agreement.

btw - I hope, in due course , you learn to tell the difference between the generality of "ARAB " and Palestinians , in due course and note that all Arabs are NOT Muslims/Islamics.



shalom - peace , or wotever .

tatty byeee.


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Mr R quotes from Chomsky - Arabs Leagues, Uncle Bob and Aunt Fanny, Granny Mable , etc,etc. is truly pathetic and totally irrelevent to this discussion. If I choose to follow yr example we can go on posting quotes from various people ad infinitium , and prove absolutely - NOT A THING .

If you're insiist on remaining an entrenched /committed , non-Jewish Zionist - then there's not much else, apart from what's already been said , so - lets just agree to disagree , WOT ?


I've said my piece .
cheers.

 

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Quotes used by "Mr Relevant" in "DarkRed"
In his vain attempts to smear the man and label him INSANE

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"I write about peace and criticize the barriers to peace; that's easy.
What's harder is to create a better world... and what's so exciting
about at last visiting Venezuela, is that I can see how a better world
………………….................................................……is being created."-
………………….................................................……Noam Chomsky

Though “Chavez” may be far from perfect, he is freely elected,
has withstood CIA inspire coupe. & He has had done with IMF & WMF,
& Yankee Corporate abuse of the Venezualan people

The people of Venezuela have now recieved, education, health care,
& their Land & Resources back from exploitive foreign Corporate Control

Though Venezuela still suffers terribly from American economic reprisals –

1 for “Chomsky”

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"The fact of the matter is that the majority of the world supports Iran."
………………….....................................................…… Noam Chomsky

The Majority of the World is fair to say
Russia, China, Indonesia, Africa, most Europeans, Latin America, etc. etc.
…………………….............................… Like he says, the Majority of the World
2 for the “Chomper”

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"Thus Obama was simply lying when he said, in his White House statement,
that “we quickly learned that the 9/11 attacks were carried out by al Qaeda.”
Nothing serious has been provided since."-
………………….................................................……Noam Chomsky

All the US had to do was provide some proof to the Taliban
& the Taliban agreed that they would hand him over to the US

Instead of even presenting a case, let alone providing any proof
The US decided to proceed to Kill people and embroil themselves
……...... in a Tar Baby of an Occupation that will last Decades

3 for the “Chomper”

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"The siege of Gaza itself does not have the slightest credible pretext."-
………………….................................................……
Noam Chomsky

The June 2008 agreement, between Israel & Hamas, was studiously kept
by Hamas, even though the Israeli’s reneged, and instead of dropping their
……..............Blockade like they had agreed, they proceeded to Intensify it

Still Hamas maintained their Ceasefire, Up Until Israel murdered a number
of its members in extajudical
Fashion

Even after harsh Israeli reprisal, Hamas offered to return to the Ceasefire
Israel instead chose to Invade & Murder a further 1400 inmates of the
Fish Barrel Prison Death camp known as Gaza
Then then turned up the screws of their Illegal Blockade of Gaza even tighter
It took the Atrocity of the “Mavi Marmara” to force Israel to Relax, the
Brutal blockade and the Collective Punishment, it Inflicts upon the people of Gaza

“Collective Punishment” being made Illegal according to the UN Charter
.................................................................... to which Israel is signatory

4 for the “Chomper”

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A++ for Humor - score 3 ½
........................ That is Hilarious even aimed at me

3 ½ for “Mr Relevant” – for Imaginative Humor
4 for "Noam Chomsky" - for Facts
- Close but the “Chomper” WINS – Yahh ! -

Lets do Norm Finkelstein Next


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Lol. Chumpsky fanbois r funny. Venezuela oil superpower trails all regional neighbors economically while Hugos popularity dwindles. Health care falling apart, continuous theft and seizures frightening outside investors and overall destitution plagues the country but it's heading in the right direction....lol.

Last time I checked Iran is under UN sanctions unanimously voted upon by the org. specifically 4 their nuke program. Yes the whole world love them , esp after thier turn bashing the opposition two years ago.

Hamas is at war with Israel. Blockades and sieges are SOP in times of war. It's really simple.

Facts.... Check them out.

 

Oh yeah. Bin laden was under indictment for the embassy bombings prior to 911, which they were provided with ample evidence for. They rejected it out hand. After 911 games were not going to be played. Since then there more than enough open source evidence fir even a die hard apologist like Chumpsky to not give bin laden the benefit of the doubt.

More facts. Please fact check me.