Handwritten Notes From 2017 Show FBI Agents Mislead DOJ On The Trump-Russia Investigation

Ambulance chasers smelling the possibility of money.

 

And no one has said any different why did you feel compelled to make that statement.

False. The President is also charged with enforcing the laws and the Constitution and protecting our national interest. Hunter was getting payments from corrupt Ukraine officials, you know what he is under criminal investigations. We have a mutual cooperation treaty with Ukraine that requires them to assist us in investigations involve them and their citizens and a President can make that request to a foreign leader for that assistance and even pressure them to do so although NO pressure was ever exerted on Ukraine.

I've never claimed she was a detail you ignore completely. She didn't have to be to be involved in this corrupt scheme her campaign and the DNC cooked up.

IT WAS ALL MADE UP. And it was made up, fabricated for that purpose, to get a phony FBI investigation in part by telling them the press was already on it, which it wasn't, and then telling the press that the FBI had started an investigation, which Slate the next day printed an article on it, which then the following day the FBI agent involved when to his superiors saying SEE the press is even reporting it. And then of course Brennen told his boss Obama that the Clinton campaigned had cooked up this scheme to smear Trump and neither did anything to stop it. NOTHING of material worth was true in the Steele document. The FBI discounted it early on. Had they been informed from the getgo it was totally paid for by the Clinton campaign garbage it would never have seen the light of day.

Again you ignore what happened here calling it "normal", you think political campaigns usually pay people, who want to work for their possible administration, to use their ability to surveil their political opposition because they have access through a government contract to produce FAKE data to create a FALSE narrative that their political opposition is an agent for a foreign government and then take that fake data and have one of their campaign attorney's call his buddy at the FBI and present a FAKE narrative that he is just being a good citizen who somehow has this dirt on their buddy Hillary's political opposition and the press is about to run with it so you better open an investigation into him, which the FBI buddy immediately got them to do, and then the Campaign with Hillary's blessing goes to the press and tells them the FBI is about to open an investigation into Trump you guys better start reporting it. You think that is what political campaigns usually do and administrations usually do. Obama was fully briefed on the fake data and Hillary trying to use it to draw attention from herself.

 

Good grief this is a nonsensical argument .. aside from the fact that we don't generally put our politicians in Jail for crimes...

 

Actually, you did when you said, " You think political campaigns usually pay people, who want to work for their possible administration, to use their ability to surveil their political opposition..."
You combined two theories into one sentence here. First, you said political campaigns paying people, or "who does that?" in your words from another post in another thread, and the surveillance issue. In the bold sentence I got from your reply, you link the political campaign and the surveillance into one, thus obfuscating two separate, mutually exclusive issues. And then you went all conspiracy theory by stating, "ecause they have access through a government contract to produce FAKE data to create a FALSE narrative that their political opposition is an agent for a foreign government and then take that fake data and have one of their campaign attorney's call his buddy at the FBI and present a FAKE narrative that he is just being a good citizen who somehow has this dirt on their buddy Hillary's political opposition and the press is about to run with it so you better open an investigation into him, which the FBI buddy immediately got them to do, and then the Campaign with Hillary's blessing goes to the press and tells them the FBI is about to open an investigation into Trump you guys better start reporting it. You think that is what political campaigns usually do and administrations usually do. Obama was fully briefed on the fake data and Hillary trying to use it to draw attention from herself." This is a conspiracy theory from the RW, Qnon, and others, which is the basis of what and why I posted what I said. Nothing you said in the second quote is true, accurate or complete. It is misleading at the very least or committing perjury at its worst.

The first issue is political research. Yes, political campaigns do this all the time, from local to national. It is part of running a campaign and has been that way since the country was founded. Even Thomas Jefferson experienced this when his primary rival, John Adams and his supporters published "news articles" about Thomas's affair with Sally Hemings, his slave, and sister-in-law. It was designed to get no sympathy from the South so that Adams can win reelection. It didn't work. In fact, such tactics, although used, was rarely viewed by the public as "informative" or "necessary" to how they will vote until the last 20 years or so.

The second issue is the most controversial; that is FBI surveillance. If there are rumors that foreign agents were attempting to infiltrate any campaign, a violation of law, then it is the FBI's duty to pursue that case. They must have some sort of probable cause in order to do so, and they did, primarily the Steele Dossier. However, the Steele Dossier had information both verified and nonverified by the FBI. Still, there was enough probable cause, in their opinion, to do so. And yes, this is what law enforcement does all the time and the person or organization really does not matter in the end, now does it. The question on this is procedural more than the law. And that is, was Mr. Sassman working on behalf of the HRC campaign outside of his employment, and if so, did he have all the necessary paperwork filled out, and signed by his superiors, to pursue such things. Federal employees, generally speaking, are allowed to contribute to campaigns, work for campaigns, consult with campaigns, etc, as long as the necessary paperwork is completed, signed and approved by his superiors. And that is what Mr. Dunham is trying to prove and wny this specific pre-trial motion is so important to both the defense and the prosecution.

WHT does Hunter Biden have anything to do with the argument at hand Blues? You are all over the place. Try to stay on topic with the OP assertion about the Durham case and Mr. Sassman.

Second, I was specifically mentioning the Hatch Act and that the arguments that RW media and pundits love to blur the lines between HRC and the Obama Administration. Again, this is more procedural law under 5 CFR than it is criminal under 18 USC. You and others are trying to link HRC campaign with the Obama Administration directly and that will not happen in this trial no matter how much you pout or broode.

Actually, you did in your post. Not directly, but indirectly by trying to link the HRC campaign to the Obama Administration, the Hunter Biden conspiracy theory, the Steel Dossier conspiracy theory, etc.

Not all was made up. According to the FBI and the Mueller Report, parts were verified and parts were unverified. The Steele Dossier used publicly available information, some interviews, and Mr. Steele's opinion on the information he gathered.

The parts that were unverified, the most sensational items in the Steele Dossier, were unverified. However, what was verified was foreign assets meeting with individuals inside the Trump Campaign. That part has been verified. I am not saying Trump is at fault or any of this campaign staff, just the fact that the Trump Campaign officials met with Russian spies and those foreign agents attempted to influence the Trump Campaign with "their own dirt" on HRC. To do so is against our laws, and shows enough probable cause for the surveillance of those Russian agents, no matter where they go, who they meet, or to what extent of they meet. That part is verified by the Mueller Report and the FBI. However, the sensational part, prostitutes, sex, and DJT to bribe him and become an ally was unverified.

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/04/19/us/politics/steele-dossier-mueller-report.html

https://www.washingtonpost.com/poli...ele-dossier-said-vs-what-mueller-report-said/

https://www.justice.gov/archives/sco/file/1373816/download

 

*LOL*

3 years and virtually zero.

 

1 1/2 when he couldn't seat a grand jury.

Why do you assert this is it and all he has?

And regardless of any criminal charges is this how you expect campaigns to try and win elections?

 

I will try to respond to this but your excruiatingly long run on sentences are difficult to read let alone respond to as you try to throw everything against the wall while ignoring the facts as we know them and refusing to answer the simple question as you bolded.

That is not conspiracy theory, we know the Clinton campaign through it's legal representation conspired with the research firm to use their sources from their government contract work to produce the phony data. These are facts deal with them.

Again there was NOTHING normal about this scheme to feed the FBI made up information claiming it as being true, lying to them that it came from the press and the press was about to report it so they better start an investigation. Then going to the Press and telling them that the FBI had started an investigation into it here is the evidence you better start printing it. And it was green lighted by Clinton herself.

It was all made up nonsense, there was nothing a material value or worth or accurate. Sussmann and the law firm BILLED the campaign for what they were doing, you keep ignoring that.

YOU brought up Ukraine, well we know Trump was right there was corruption going on and it needed to be investigated and Ukraine has treaty with us to mutually do so.

We already know that Obama was briefed about the fake news and what the Clinton campaign was up to. We know high officials at the FBI were hellbent of getting Trump out of office. And we know those high officials were already trying to create a false story starting back in 2015 with Crossfire Hurricane as you noted so they were more than willing to help create this false narrative.

Yeah, all plots to first deny Trump the nomination, then the win, then to get him removed from office.

OH GEE look it did rain that day so everything else must be true...........spare me. That's how you create such fake news, you include inconsequential facts to cover up the made up stuff.

There is no law against meeting with people from other countries, why do you claim that? And there was ONE meeting that was set up by the Perkins Coie and it last 15 minutes before it was totally dismissed with NOTHING, heck Don Jr left it after 5 minutes having done his friend a favor to even meet with the Russian, nor Russian agent that was not how it was presented.

But yea had this Russian had some dirt on Hillary it would have been fair game for them to use it as long as it was TRUE as opposed to the Clinton campaign presenting totally fake information as factual and then concocting their scheme to use their buddies at the FBI and in the press to promoted and obsess for two years over the fake story to try and get a duly elected President removed.

 

So probable cause did not in fact exist(I'm going to help people along here with a definition of probable cause):

https://www.law.cornell.edu/wex/probable_cause

Probable cause is higher than reasonable suspicion(or that is, guesswork.) Probable cause very basically says 'more likely than not likely', and that threshold was never met at any point in the investigation. If the information was publicly available(and it was), none of it met that threshold. That's why the investigation fizzled out(after stringing it out two years longer then it had to.) To the point, the FBI did not target the individual who wanted the Browder laws repealed(I forgot her name at the moment. I did not however forget the salacious detail that despite the FBI having knowledge of her, the administration allowed her presence. One would think that a greater crime than the Trump campaign taking the meeting, but I digress.)

No, the FBI chose to target Carter Page via the laughably false detail of the Gazprom sale in the 'dossier'(which might as well be renamed to 'work of fiction that didn't sell'). And then when that debacle finally collapsed like a house of cards, they want to try to convince us it started with Papadoupolis(and maybe they did decide from that point to engage in fiction hunting, but we'll never know.)

But regardless of when these idiots failed intelligence, the fact is they failed intelligence. And the reason they failed intelligence hasn't been resolved: Active political views within the FBI. We need it to have a military-style professsionalism from now on.

 

One small friendly addition: as long as it was TRUE [and not paid for]

 

As has we know he billed Clinton Campaign for the meeting, therefore any reasonable person will know he was there on behalf of the Clinton campaign.

 

I'm not doubting he is guilty of something, I doubt that this is an indication of a conspiracy that exonerates Trump.
I don't know what all the answers are, but I don't think many do.
Information from the opposition research wasn't the only reason for an FBI investigation.

 

Exonerate him of what. For what does he need exoneration a fake story?

 

Trump has already been exonerated, it was a hoax made up by the Hilary's campaign and it did more damage dividing this country than anything since the civil war. It needs to be made light, the country deserves and needs the closure.

 

SOME was possibly made up by Hillary's campaign, the investigation was already going on, and there is plenty of anomalies present before the Steele dossier.
Trump and his campaign DID ask for and accept assistance to win the 2016 election from foreign powers.

 

Just stop, it's been investigated by the best in the business and no where ever has any of them said Trump asked for assistance from Russia. Give it a break. Further more have you forgotten Obama's European Campaign rallies? He literally made campaign stops in foreign countries to show the support he has from the international community. He had to coordinate support with those governments to hold the rally which indeed help him win. Every 2nd term President also has touted support from other countries, so this is all just silly.

 

Except that he did:
DIRECT EVIDENCE
1. Stood and a stage and asked Russia to find Hillary's deleted emails. Within hours, Russian agents were doing just that.
2. Don Jr. hosted a meeting with a Russian agent and Russian lawyer, along with Manafort and others, to get promised dirt on Hillary Clinton, and knew all along what it was about and who he was meeting with.
3. Trump Sr then lied about the meeting above, and put out a fake statement he wrote saying he was Don Jr. saying the meeting was about Russian adoptions
4. Trump campaign officials had dozens of meetings during the campaign (reports say hundreds, but I'll knock off some as chance or inconsequential meetings) with Russian representatives. And, no, that's not normal.
5. Trump campaign officials provided Russian agents with polling data designed to show where to push campaign ads or disinformation. Used to influence the election.
INDIRECT EVIDENCE
1. Trump provided Putin with cover in Helsinki, the famous "I don't see why it would be Russia". You missed that.
2. That press conference was following a private meeting between Trump and Putin, where no US officials were present, and only one translator. Not normal. These meetings many times aren't released, but it's highly unusual to not have any record of the discussion.
3. Trump hosted two Russian officials in the White House just after taking office, and exposed top secret information that might have gotten someone killed. Coincidence?
4. Trump opposed congressionally approved sanctions against Russia, and had to be forced to sign them. Congress had threatened to override his veto he was mulling over.

That's just off the top of my head. Notice none of that came from the Clinton campaign or Steele dossier. The FBI was investigating Manafort before the opposition research even began.
You believe what you want to believe. But don't tell me what I should believe, because I go by evidence and what facts I can determine.
Why don't you just stop it, denying the truth, covering for a traitor.

 

Oh my god well that proves it lol. Please stop with the stupid, every politician meets with a Russian, every one of them. There's zero ziltch nothing wrong with meeting with a person that isn't American. The polling data given to the Ukranian business associate that has "ties" to Russian intelligence didn't pan out, Mules looked into that and everyone of these ridiculous claims, every one of these hypotheticals didn't pass the mustard. Russia as every intelligence official told us was wanting disarray in the political system in America. They bought 114k worth of ads and all were not favorable to Trump, 114k lol Hils spent a billion!!!!

Trump bombed Putin assets, Trumps put sanctions on Russia and Putin, on and on. Face it when Obama did the same things you didn't have an issue but you fell for the Hillary disinformation campaign and no matter how many investigations over three years that point blank told you their was no collusion or coordination with Trump and Russia, you'll continue to play partisan politics.

 

For starters, probable cause did exist with Carter Page, as early as 2014. In 2013, Page wrote a letter to Time Magazine and stated, ""Over the past half year, I have had the privilege to serve as an informal advisor to the staff of the Kremlin in preparation for their Presidency of the G-20 Summit next month, where energy issues will be a prominent point on the agenda." Yet, that is not enough probable cause despite the fact that he was not acting, in a defacto measure, an unregistered foreign agent based on that statement alone. Furthermore, the FBI obtained information that three Russian persons, close to Putin, were actively trying to recruit Page. Two of the known Russian assets, Evgeny Buryakov and Victor Pobobnyy in 2014. In addition, the FBI had wiretaps on the Russian agents and obtained transcripts with communications from Robobnyy and a Russian Intelligence officer in the Washington DC embassy. And in 2015, we indicted the three Russian agents that has ties to Page.

In the Mueller Report, Mueller wrote, "evidence or testimony about who Page may have met or communicated with in Moscow. Page's activities in Russia – as described in his emails with the [Trump campaign] – were not fully explained." Thus, even in Mueller, Page was not fully exonerated. Page's testimony and evidence is incomplete with unanswered questions.

Now, let's talk about probable cause. If a judge signs a warrant, any judge, then there is enough probable cause. With Page, one was in 2013 or 2014 and four additional FISA warrants in 2016 and 2017. Of those four, the FBI determined 2 were valid and two were not valid. The two that were invalid were based on technical details of the FISA warrant and that some of the evidence in the FISA warrant should not have been used. However, take those out, and the FISA warrant would have been valid under probable cause.

Finally, the Inspector General for the FBI testified under oath to Congress that there was no evidence of political motivation by the FBI, yet cannot rule out the possibility. A possibility is not evidence or even supportive of any of the RW conspiracy theories out there argued by Hannity and others. Furthermore, The FBI had probable cause to investigate Page finding that his testimony to the Republican-controlled Senate Intelligence Committee was evasive, meandering, avoidant, and involved several long diversions. The report goes into other details, including debunking a conspiracy theory touted by Trump, but that is for another discussion and thread.

This was not some political choice here. Carter Page held pro-Russian ties long before he met with Trump. Again, there was enough probable cause. The main issue, not all the i's were dotted, and the t's crossed. Hence the problem with two of the FISA Warrants/.

 

Page was working for the FBI and was heavily instrumental in the conviction of the three Russian agents and IIRC the incarceration of one who stupidly stepped foot on American soil.

As to your FISA comments. The FBI lied through their teeth to the FISA court to get FISA warrants on Page -- thrice IIRC.

 

Well for starters, it was your writing that was a runon sentence. I divided it out. The first part is quoted and in bold, and the second part is just in quotations. So brush up on your grammar there Blues.

Here is your entire first paragraph in which you wrote, "IT WAS ALL MADE UP. And it was made up, fabricated for that purpose, to get a phony FBI investigation in part by telling them the press was already on it, which it wasn't, and then telling the press that the FBI had started an investigation, which Slate the next day printed an article on it, which then the following day the FBI agent involved when to his superiors saying SEE the press is even reporting it. And then of course Brennen told his boss Obama that the Clinton campaigned had cooked up this scheme to smear Trump and neither did anything to stop it. NOTHING of material worth was true in the Steele document. The FBI discounted it early on. Had they been informed from the getgo it was totally paid for by the Clinton campaign garbage it would never have seen the light of day."

Your post, post #27, your post BTW

Yes it is. You do not have a shred of evidence to prove conspiracy. Opposition research is done by all political parties and all political candidates. The Fusion Opposition Research was started originally by Marco Rubio and the Free Deacon Press. When Rubio dropped out and endorsed Trump, that research stopped, including the Steele Dossier. Second, when HRC found out about it, it picked it up and completed the opposition research. Everything in the Steele Dossier was based on publicly available information, nothing more, nothing less. No one was using government property to conduct the research. None, zilch, nada. And the Steele Dossier did not undercut the Russian Probe of Foreign agents trying to recruit people within the Trump Campaign. Now, before you go and get all haywire, I am not accusing Trump of anything, period. Just stating what Russia was trying to do, regardless of who the party or politician they are focusing.

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/12/01/us/trump-russia-investigation-dossier.html

Some parts of Muller verified some of the information in the Steele Dossier, and some parts, the sensational parts, were not verified. This was not made up and there is enough evidence of this, especially with Carter Page and three Russian Agents that the United States Government indicted three Russian Agents in 2015. Furthermore, look at my response to American Nationalist, and the links embedded in the post, that further describes the probable cause for the FISA warrants on Carter Page and enough probable cause to justify the signing of at least 2 of the 4 FISA warrants in 2016 and 2017.

All you are doing is regurgitating what you heard on TV or conservative AM talk radio without any basis of proof.

I am not ignoring that. What I am arguing is the connection between HRC Campaign and the Obama Administration, the conspiracy theory touted by Trump and his MAGA supporters that both Obama and HRC were working together to take down Trump conspiracy theory. That is the part I am debunking. I also stated that Strassman can have the ability to do outside work from his official governmental duty as long as all the forms are signed, and approved, does not use any government property, and does not charge time for the government pay for such work. It is in 5 CFR 6103.

I did not bring up Ukraine. YOu brought up Hunter and do not have the cajones to admit it. You try to bring up HRC and Obama corruption, and even that failed. And that is what I responded to.

We do know he was briefed. What we don't know is whether Obama knew at that time the Steele Dossier was reliable or unreliable. That has been labeled "executive privilege" when Obama WAS IN OFFICE. However, we do know from the Horowitz investigation and the Senate Intelligence Committee led by Republicans that Obama was not the target, the Trump Campaign was, that the decision is split on whether to accuse Trump or not of Russian Collusion, and that the committee spent most of the report on the Steele Dossier. You may want to read that, but it may be too long for you. In addition, both Horowitz and the Senate Intelligence Committee agreed the FBI has the authority, was justified to go after Russian agents, and that the FISA warrants were required to obtain the information. What causes the committee concern was that the FBI was a "little too overreaching" meaning too enthusiastic, to get a FISA warrant in which mistakes were made. Hence, nothing intentional. Disagree with the report all you want, but it is a Republican-led report.

So whatever happened to accountability. According to MAGA cult members like you, I guess Trump is infallible huh. Personally, I think Trump was thinking about it, but was cautious at the same time, relied on his staff to tell him and when he found out that Page was under FBI investigation, he cut off ties altogether. That does not mean any wrongdoing, but it is a mistake on Trump's part. And we all know, that Trump never admits mistakes.

Just because you say it's "fake" does not make it true. All it tells me you have no response to this particular point.

Actually, there are, several in fact. It depends on the reasons why. One is the Foreign Agents Registration Act, FARA, 2 USC 601 through 621. Another is 12 FAM 270, specifically for state department personnel. Federal Employees and their respective agencies may have additional guidance depending on your security level either through FARA, 12 FAM 270. It is not causal contact or limited contact in most cases; however, when it comes to spies or suspected spies based on your security clearance, then yes, it is required. Furthermore, there are IRS regulations that after you "meet" a foreign person and pay them, usually $600 or more, there are special reporting requirements and tax documents that must be submitted when you file. This includes corporations, S Corps, Partnerships, and contractors.

You should have done a simple internet search before posting that nonsense.

Furthermore, Page was an advisor, and Trump Campagin even admitted that. Don Jr statement is trying to backtrack due to the negative publicity. But there is enough evidence that Trump and Page met and that Page was on the payroll for at least a month, maybe a little longer, like 5 weeks before being thrown under the bus by Trump himself.

This is my personal opinion, I would say that Russian intelligence has dirt on every politician in the United States from Statewide offices on up. This would include both parties and every candidate, major business owner, anyone who has a signficant social media presence on any number of platforms, including the dark web, including the few Republicans who are definitely Pro Putin GOP politicians. But if Putin or Russia releases such information, that will cause a firestorm here politically. Not because of the politician or politicians the Russians released on, but that our information has been compromised to an extent that it could be anybody. And from there, we will shut down data sharing altogether. But Russia does not want that and will not do that. That raises too many questions, legally and ethically, AND we will be going after anyone and everyone who even had a remote casual relationship with a Russian agent. So, don't expect that to happen directly or even indirectly in the near future.

 

We call that "he turned state's evidence" in their conviction. He had no choice if he wanted to avoid jail time for himself.

 

Your researcnh is commendable but you need to get the facts straight. Page was an active and willing partner with the FBI in feeding the culprits information, recording conversations, etc in the effort which led to their indictments and convictions.

 

Your three previous posts, couldn't have said it better myself, literally.

 

Thanks for calling me stupid.
I've had posts deleted for less.
You are welcome to your opinion. You apparently don't understand the difference between what's opinion and fact.
I'll give you the unrequited respect of having your own opinion.

 

he was not an active and willing partner of the FBI at all. He is an energy consultant. Attempted to get his PhD from, failed twice, passed the third time and yet still couldn't get that dissertation paper published. He was briefly, very briefly, an advisor to Trump and then he went into obscurity. No one, not even Horowitz, the Senate Intelligence Committee, stated or even suggested, that Page worked for the FBI. That too is a conspiracy theory by Qnon.