Hanging is not a bad thing ..

Dam, Bush really messed up your life badly huh? you just can't get him out of your mind
years after he has gone. I never knew you had a BUSH mental problem, maybe we should
send you enough fee's to cover your problem, huh?


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Since most Christians in this country support the death penalty, I guess, by your little twist in logic, that they are all deviating from the teachings of Christ; who, by the way, never taught against capital punishment.

What I find sickening... SICKENING... is how opponents of the death penalty are so fired up to defend those poor, persecuted MURDERERS, and think nothing of the victims who were mercilessly slaughtered.

Now here's the kicker...

Far from teaching against capital punishment, Jesus seemed to advocate it!
"Blessed are the merciful, for they shall receive mercy." People all too quickly jump on this teaching as opposing CP, but they miss the critical backside, that mercy is only for the merciful. Those who mercilessly slaughter other human beings have been disqualified from any obligation to be treated mercifully.

I have great mercy, Irishlefty, for the VICTIMS who are innocent, not the ANIMALS that killed them. I want the death penalty to be applied often and quickly so that future murders might be deterred. My defense of life EXCEEDS those hypocrits who say they oppose the death penalty out of respect for life.

Ha!

The only way to affirm, defend, and perpetuate the sanctity of human life is to levy the harshest penalty possible when life is wrongfully taken. BTW, since the most fervent advocate of the death penalty is GOD HIMSELF, then you are the hippocrit when you claim to oppose the death penalty out of some misguided religious piety.

CP is one of the oldest laws ever given from God to man...going back to the days of Noah. That makes it one of the most important!

And yes, it pisses me off when people LEAP to the defense of criminals but aren't nearly so quick to defend the helpless. How sick is that?

 

I love how Bush rents space in so many heads.

 

Friend, from what I read, I have come to the sad conclusion that you are not following the teachings of Christ. I can provide loads more evidence to break these claims you make. When you go to the world you must speak and act like Christ to make a good impression and spread the true Gospel. When you talk about the death penalty like this you show others what a Christian thinks of CP. Remember this passage:"Not many of you should become teachers, my brothers, for you know that we who teach will be judged with greater strictness." James 3:1

Do not be enraged by my response friend, for I seek to not judge you. I am not perfect and know we all can become better Christians.

 

Oh, but you are so judgemental! How dare you cast aspersions on the majority of Christians in this country that support CP as not following Christ!

Moreover, you show a complete ignorance of the teachings of Christ in that you fail to draw a line of separation between the earthly kingdom and the kindom to heaven, a line that Jesus labored to make clear. The teachings of Christ apply to his followers and compell us personally. They do not apply to the state. The state cannot forgive and cannot turn the other cheek. The state is not an instrument of mercy but of justice. For the sake of protection, the state commits itself to violence against evil doers, both the foreign invader and the criminal, because it owes an obligation to its citizens.

The Left has become blind to the line of separation that Jesus taught:

Romans 13: (NKJV)
1 Let every soul be subject to the governing authorities. For there is no authority except from God, and the authorities that exist are appointed by God.
2 Therefore whoever resists the authority resists the ordinance of God, and those who resist will bring judgment on themselves.
3 For rulers are not a terror to good works, but to evil. Do you want to be unafraid of the authority? Do what is good, and you will have praise from the same.
4 For he is God’s minister to you for good. But if you do evil, be afraid; for he does not bear the sword in vain; for he is God’s minister,
an avenger to execute wrath on him who practices evil.

The teachings of Christ DO NOT APPLY TO THE GOVERNMENT! They apply to us. And if somebody kills somebody I love, I cannot kill them in return, but must turn them over to the state for justice. And if the state, in it's prudence, decides to execute that murderer, they have done nothing wrong.

Do not confuse the perogatives of the state with the perogatives of heaven. They are two separate things, and JESUS MADE THAT CLEAR!

 

I agree. death is not such a terrible thing and forgiving criminals is not such a humane thing. they twist it any way they want to: how can this scum in Norway come back to the scene of the crime and show them how he did it is beyond me, if I was an officer guarding him, I would have shot him in the balls and went to THEIR prison for him, in other words replaced him in vacation home i mean prison while he would have went to HOSPITAL for life.

 

Ooh! Ouch!

And that's quite a shot too...two testicles with one shot. But now I wax absurd.

 

When the state is a Republic in a land where the people have a say in government, it is up to Christians to support Christ-like laws so that they may indirectly have Christ like compassion for others. So when a majority of Christians living in America support CP they are supporting the implementation of a non-Christ-like policy upon others, and thus are defying the teachings of Christ.

When the government is meant to be of the people, by the people, for the people it is the responsibility of Christians to aid in governance in a Christ like way, and that means not using the death penalty and showing mercy to their fellow citizens.

 

John 18:36
Jesus answered, “My kingdom is not of this world. If My kingdom were of this world, My servants would fight, so that I should not be delivered to the Jews; but now My kingdom is not from here.”

You are completely blinded to this distinction. You claim an inside tract and special understanding of Christ's teachings that somehow eluded most Christians both today and throughout the history of the Church, both Protestant and Catholic. Not only did Jesus NOT teach the rule of religious law, he was set against it.

Moreover, you assert your minority opinion as fact, laying down your pompous claim that anyone who disagrees with you disagrees with Christ. There is a hard resistance here in America against your kind, the kind that doesn't know the difference between secular and religious law, between the principles of the kingdom of God and the perogatives of human governments. Was Jesus against war too? The passage I quoted would seem to contradict that as Jesus was saying that if he were an earthyl king, his soldiers would fight to prevent his capture, and rightly so. But it seems no matter how Jesus labored to separate heavenly and earthly kingdoms, you keep confusing the two.

The American nation was built on religious principles but not on religious law. We categorically reject the tyranny of reading from the Bible, or any holy book, and codifying its dictates into law. We fought a war against
a religious despot and eradicated it from our shores. Religion may rule in the UK as it did when we kicked the British out, but here we keep the separation of church and state in full force and never allow ourselves to forget what atrocity ensues when religion is allowed its tyrannical reign.

 

Awryly, you would be very happy if you lived in Iran!



Iran: Two More Executions for Homosexual Conduct.

On Sunday, November 13, the semi-official Tehran daily Kayhan reported that the Iranian government publicly hung two men, Mokhtar N. (24 years old) and Ali A. (25 years old), in the Shahid Bahonar Square of the northern town of Gorgan.

The government reportedly executed the two men for the crime of "lavat." Iran’s sharia law, a law-based penal code defines lavat as penetrative and non-penetrative sexual acts between men. Iranian law punishes all penetrative sexual acts between adult men with the death penalty. Non-penetrative sexual acts between men are punished with lashes until the fourth offense, when they are punished with death. Sexual acts between women, which are defined differently, are punished with lashes until the fourth offense, when they are also punished with death.

Human Rights Watch called upon the Iranian government to decriminalize homosexuality and reminded Iran of its obligations under Toonen v. Australia (1994), the Human Rights Committee’s authoritative interpretation of the International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights, to which Iran is party. Toonen v. Australia extends recognition of the right to privacy and the right to freedom from discrimination on the grounds of sexual orientation throughout human rights law.

 

When it comes to capital punishment, I draw the line at murder. Any other offense can be appropriately punished through incarceration. The first time that God gave this law to Noah, it was strictly a punishment for murder. The transaction is as simple as it is equitable. You take a life, you lose your life. Period.

 

Primitive societies choose to apply death for reasons no-one else, least of me, would.

Exampling them is no argument against hanging ass murderers in other societies.

I see some here do not believe, Bush, Cheney and the rest of his gangsters should not be regarded as mass murderers. When the ICC says they are I would have no dufficulty drop-kicking them towards their maker.

 

Good to see Gaddafi's spawn being rounded up. Let's hope the Libyans hang them before the International Criminal Court ever gets round to an unnecessary trial and having to sentence them to life imprisonment at the expense of the international community.

Now ... where's your Daddy?

 

In the current system it actually costs more. People sit on death row for 15 to 20 years before being executed.....The people have to pay for this with taxes. I say that they change it to 1 year for appeal, if the appeal is not won then the exeuction takes place on the first available date, after the year is up.

 

Mayhap dissuades dictators from massacring their own people.

 

Not in the Middle East, they don't. Justice is swift there.
And cheap.

 

No one is talking about the middle east, but since you brought it up, most middle eastern countries also punish a woman who speaks without permission by cutting out her tongue.....I realy dont see what is so just abut their laws....

 

What does that have to do with hanging Gadaffi for mass murder? And, as it happens, the OP was mostly about the Middle East.

Or didn't you read it?

 

I was replying to a post about the costs of having a death penalty and it has nothing t do with the OP.

 

Off topic then?

OK.

 

It doesn't appear to be working then.

As the example of Saddam shows, execution is already a very real possibility for murderous dictators in many of the places they establish themselves (it's often their murderous regime that supports it). Such people are typically too self-obsessed to actually believe it will ever happen to them though, so it poses little deterrent effect.

The same issue applies for the death penalty as a deterrent to the most heinous domestic crimes too.

 

That's a good point. Because the DP isn't applied swiftly and often, it's easy for criminals to think it will happen to somebody else, not them. It loses its deterent effect.

 

Judicial death sentences have no moral element ?

 

No they don't. The death penalty is applied for practical purposes. It has a 100% deterring effect; those who are executed never kill again. People can get moral satisfaction out of justice being applied, but the justice itself is, by all standards, dispassionate.

 

And where is the justice for those who are wrongfully executed? Who should pay for that wrong?

Sorry but the illusion of control over life and death only works 1 way, we kill those who we believe killed someone else, and if we are wrong, we are as guilty of murder as those we seek to bring “justice” to. We do not have the power to distribute real justice, which would be the ability to bring back those who lost their lives in the first place, so we are pathetic pretenders who play God.

No matter how it’s done, death penalties are a farce, they do not bring back those who died, yet it is a pretense at being “God”. It is not “justice,”, it is revenge, plain and simple, and if you believe in God, God said “ Vengeance is mine!”

If you do not believe in God, then it is simple indulging in an irrational slaughter to feel better, and it does not work for everyone.

I’m not entirely against the death penalty if it can be proven beyond the shadow of a doubt the individual is guilty of the crime accused of, but there have been a great many people exonerated from death row in the last few years, showing that we are not so “Godly” as to be right 100% of the time.
Would you like to find your self on death row for a crime you didn’t commit? Is the death penalty worth having at the risk of being falsely executed? Would you like the process to go faster so there is less chance of an innocent person being cleared of the crime and getting the rest of what left of their lives back?

I would rather pay my taxes to have a evil, worthless killer locked up for the rest of their lives than to even risk wrongfully executing the wrong person, ever.

As for what happens to the dictators of the world, they pretty much reap what they have sowed, But it really has nothing to do with justice.