Hard times: 7 in 10 Americans say they’re living paycheck to paycheck now

I'm not talking about that Forbes thing. That was merely some kids' fever dream.

This is about their actual goal .. to buy up huge swathes of urban and suburban housing .. with the intention of renting it back to those they bought it from. It's a FINANCIAL goal .. they don't give a crap about the social element.

 

Their choice.
Plenty of job openings out there right now to improve one's income.

 

You are free to live in syria/California which is a bastion of progressive policies. You can breath that fresh air of human feces on the ground from the abundance of homeless and drug addicts parked on ever corner.

So please...spare us your nonsense. Show me the utopian democratic ran State in the United States. Or is it just a coincidence that they all happen to be **** holes?

 

Hard times in America?

Well, it looks like there is about to be free financial education to the masses thanks to the school of hard knocks, life experience.

Since no credit card debt is the top choice of what financial freedom looks like to people, it's time for people to take a hard look at their finances and chart a long-term course towards paying down their debt. We all face a financial strain every now and then, but being able to pay off the old debt before the next downturn requires drawing on a line of credit is a vital skill.

 

How are the wealthy going? I heard from strength to strength.

 

Yes, and I might be so bold to connect the large market movements and crashes to this kind of "living beyond your means" attitude. It's not just the US, but I'm betting it's most prevalent in the US. As you say, a cultural phenomenon.

 

No, it was not a kid's dream, it was someone speculating that by 2030 most people will rent, and everything is delivered by drone. It was not a goal of any kind or by anyone, it was a part of an 8 point list someone put together based on what he thought things might look like in 2030. Someone took that from the social media, and twisted it into what is now pushed as "a goal of the left". I have never seen so much propaganda, fake news and brainwashing in my life, and people just lap it up, and vast majority is coming from the RW.

Who is "they".

I'll tell you, "They" are real estate investors like Donald Trump and thousands of others who invest in real estate, and their only goal is to fill their pockets with money. This has been the goal of renters for thousands is years.

Of course they don't. They never did, and never will, but it is not some evil conspiracy to get to a point where "no one owns nothing". Every one of those rental units are owned by the investors. As for home ownership, - the statistics show that the economic collapse of 2008 caused a 2% drop, but other than that there has been no decline on home ownership.

 

clueless and ignorance go hand and hand and your "offended" detector should not even budge. Both terms are proper given the lack of information provided by the media sources that most Democrats seek. Not being told all of the facts makes one clueless and ignorant of reality.

That is a major tool used by the DNC in order to get Democrat voters to get out and vote Democrat

here are a couple of soul searching questions for you; no response needed

1: Did you really want energy prices to soar and to hurt most folks?

2: Do you really believe that because a person has dark skin that they are mentally inferior to lighter skinned people?

the above 2 things are Democrat policy but they spin it so much that Democrat voters cannot see the forest from the trees

it's actually sad

 

Spoken like one who lives in an alternate reality. Most Americans do not want to live in a third-world country such as yourself.


No thanks.

 

Ya....sorry. you can't deny the homeless and drug problem. There's just too much actual evidence beyond your feels to prove I'm right.

Your progressive states are **** holes. Ya just gotta face up to that fact. Your "gee wouldn't it be nice if" policies shockingly do not work.

 

I don't try to assign a partisan mark on everything, but I did get your phony "non-partisan" knickers in a wad when I criticized your "progressive" co-travelers for making it more difficult to own a home, and the higher taxes, increased regulations, "climate change" schemes and all this stuff...

Countering Progressives' Assault on Suburbia
By Joel Kotkin
RCP Contributor
July 10, 2015
https://www.realclearpolitics.com/a..._progressives_assault_on_suburbia_127327.html

...are only part of it. Their attacks on police (Defund, etc) and soft on crime policies have driven homicides to record levels and the racist-woke pedagogy they are pushing in schools has parents up in arms. It's no wonder people are fleeing "progressive" states and cities for redder climes, and it's gotten so bad that the term "Leftugee" has now entered the American lexicon.

Furthermore, if you weren't so busy trying to defend your comrades on the Left you would have noticed that I did not "assign a partisan mark" on the elites, whether they be businesses or activist groups, et al, who are cashing in on the "progressives" in their pockets and the "progressive" policies that are making it more difficult to own a home, but those interests don't write laws, regulations and zoning codes nor do they raise people's taxes and impose higher "climate- related burdens and expenses on individuals and businesses.

Your claim that these things have nothing to do with partisan politics (and ideology) is risible, and the people fleeing blue states and cities and the voters who recently turned against "progressives" from Virginia to Seattle are calling BS on it with their feet and their votes. That's the reality partisans like you are unwilling to see.

 

You say it is so, and expect everyone to just believe it, but not everyone is as gullible as you. Few years ago the "progressives" were accused of cramming homes down the throats of low income people who couldn't afford them, and now they are accused of the opposite. Do you find it hard to admit that you'll blame them no matter what the issue happens to be at any given time. You shriek about "progressives" with every post you make, so of course you assign a partisan mark on everything.

Home ownership rate has remained the same except for the 2% dip after the housing crash in 2007-08.

When did real estate developers become "comrades of the left"? Listen to yourself.

Its called capitalism, and all of a sudden you are told to oppose it, and you think the best way to do it is label it "comrades of the left".

Sure, Florida is becoming very expensive, but its not a political conspiracy as you seem to think.

There is nothing to defend except facts vs your fake news. You've been played.

 

So, are YOU going to retract your thread now, that's been shown that the poll was from 2020? You gotta stick to your word, after calling on others to retract their posts, when what they said was actually correct.

BTW: If Americans were so flush under Trump, I am sure they didn't have to use their credit cards? Let's see:



Oh, wait, credit card debt went up under Trump - until the pandemic hit.

Finally, please stop your "Dem voters did this" cra%. Whenever you say it, your analysis is usually based on fake data.

 

Not a chance. It's just wrong to take timeline and facts out of context and misuse them in a disingenuous way them for any purpose.

 

Note the price range

 

Yes, in Ft Lauderdale it is what it is, - very expensive. In Plantation, Tamarac, Davie, Sunrise, Dania, Pompano, Margate, Coconut Creek, etc surrounding areas you can find places for less and some of those places are actually pretty dangerous.

PS. You searched for 'apartments for under $1800, so yes, you can find some for less but you'll get what you pay for and same is true everywhere.

You can buy a 2 br condo, but the problem is that the nicer ones have HOA fees around $1000 per month + very high property tax.

 

And you can get even cheaper if you want. And those are apartments not condo's so plenty of apartments available at less than half what you claimed.

 

Sure, you can find a crap-hole for less and spend your free time fighting ants and roaches and stepping over the junkies in the hallways.

 

I've been living paycheck to paycheck all my life, but for the vast majority of that time it was due to my poor financial management and spending habits.

 

Nobody did.
And, it would have happened regardless of who won in 2020.
^Can anybody (conclusively) prove different?

NO...

WRONG! Again...

In any event, IF (Repeat IF) anybody opposing Biden actually believes in those fantasies, then WHY didn't the GOP nominate a candidate in 2020 who was actually capable of beating Biden?
Why was the GOP "Strategy" in trying to save America (from the "Biden Curse") , built around nominating the only candidate capable of losing to Biden?
A Proven LOSER (Trump).

If anybody wants to "blame" anybody for America 2022...
Then, blame the GOP for nominating a Sure LOSER in 2020.
Thx Alot, GOP!

GOP Votes Have Consequences, Never Good For the Common Folk.

 

Of course, I don't "shriek about "progressives" with every post" I make, nor do I "blame them no matter what the issue happens to be at any given time" or "assign a partisan mark on everything", but you do have a history of dishonest posting and this is more of the same.

As for your straw man about "progressives" being accused of "cramming homes down the throats of low income people who couldn't afford them", I never accused "progressives" or anyone else of "cramming" loans down anyone's throats because the people who took out those loans did so on their own volition and are responsible for their own actions.

Let's see....it's down roughly 4% since its peak in 2005 when Shrub was in office and then it dropped when Mr. Housing Bubble popped and kept dropping during the Obama years then rose during Trump's term and now it's back down to about 65.5%.







And then there's this:

Black home ownership down 3% since 2000 as racial wealth gap widens
https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/new...lth-gap-widens/vi-AATn0Yc?ocid=BingNewsSearch

Of course, home ownership is down overall since 2000, and the price of houses is sky high and unaffordable for many people right now.

STRAW MAN.

Read what I actually wrote. I was referring to you.

You're called capitalism?

LOL - This is why you shouldn't deal in straw man fabrications. You're not making any sense.

Obviously, you have no idea what I think. I don't consider policies a conspiracy. They're just policies.

You're just propping up straw men and knocking them down.

When you can respond to what I actually post we can have a discussion and/or debate. Until then you can continue your little conversation with yourself.

 

Housing costs are up everywhere, no state or area is immune.

 

Irrelevant. This is about looking after you and yours, and nothing is stopping Americans from doing that.

 

It's come from too much of the good times .... not from hard times. Hard times would have seen people reconnect with their survival instinct. That's what keeps the human animal alert and motivated. Keep feeding the lab rats and they lose all their sharpness.

 

Top dems are making everyone poor!