Has Hillary disqualified herself?

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  1. Natty Bumpo

    Natty Bumpo Well-Known Member

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    "The nation's demographic changes add to the urgency of recognizing how precarious our position has become…. Unless the RNC gets serious about tackling this problem, we will lose future elections; the data demonstrates this."

    The likely Democratic presidential nominee for 2016 is Hillary Rodham Clinton, a White woman. Undoubtedly, she will attract more votes than President Obama from White Americans, a diminishing portion of the electorate.

    As a Democrat, her totals amongst Black voters can be expected to be in the range of Bill Clinton's 83% and 84%, Kerry's 88% and Gore's 90%.

    Hispanic voters and younger Americans, regardless of race will, as in the recent past, will overwhelmingly support the Democratic candidate.

    Pew Research Center: In the last three general elections – 2004, 2006, and 2008 — young voters have given the Democratic Party a majority of their votes, and for all three cycles they have been the party’s most supportive age group.

    In 2012, 66% of those under age 30 voted for Barack Obama making the disparity between young voters and other age groups larger than in any presidential election since exit polling began in 1972.

    Willard Romney's strength in 2012 was amongst White (58.7%) and 65+ (55.6%) voters - the former a shrinking percentage off the electorate and the latter changing via attrition.

    Pandering to the aging, White, wealthy elite via corporate welfare, and the aging, White non-college-educated via xenophobia and intolerance is not a winning formula politically.

    Instead of grousing about the ubiquitous "Liberals!" by which media entertainers keep the angry, white guys in such a tizzy, Republicans needs to offer something positive to Americans.

    Isn't that obvious?



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  2. Bluesguy

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    Then I win!

    Today we honor those who died one year ago in a terrorist attack because of Hillary Clinton. How many deaths is Palin responsible for?

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    And again no reasons to vote FOR Hillary.
     
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    No one forces you but if it's too hard I will understand, trying to defend Hillary Clinton must be quite a strain.

    You have actually shown more than me, see I can post such statements too.

    As I said, no reasons to vote FOR her, wow what a ringing endorsement.

    What are her successes, so far you are showing why she should NOT be elected President.

    No one knows at this point.


    Why I said she wasn't highly qualified, you disagree?
     
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    All she would have to do is say "it mattered", all she would have to do is point out the falling apart of US foreign policy in Libya, Syria, Iraq, Russia, Iran, and there is no indication Hillary knows squat about running the federal budget. Neither of them are highly qualified for President, that's the point.

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    So we should vote for Hillary because she is a white woman................that's the best you got?
     
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    And if there was any question of the rationality of your position, you've answered the question...
     
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    I asked YOU not 60 million other people. Can YOU give any reasons to vote FOR Hillary?

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    Please explain why Hillary would be more qualified, neither of them being highly qualified for the job, especially after her getting our people in Benghazi killed and the utter failure of foreign policy under her term as SecState.
     
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    She was quite clear in her unequivical statement of support that it came from her OWN discussions, her OWN knowledge and her OWN counsel not from the Bush administration.

    That being said were what you posted true it would just be another reason to not vote for her.
    No just Foster's illegally dealing with her WhiteWater issues and her staff removing documents from his office when they learned of his death and those subpoenaed documents showing up in her very private White House resident with her hand written notes and fingerprints all over them after she denied any knowledge of them.

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    And still no reasons to vote FOR Hillary, the rationality of my statement being quite clear.
     
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    You can believe that if you wish.
     
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    Natty Bumpo Well-Known Member

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    If you are asking me for the reasons that I would vote for Hillary Clinton, I never said that I would. I shall decide after a comparison with whomever the GOP nominates, if anyone.
     
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    Wow! If you actually can show that Hillary Clinton, independently, whilst ignoring all that heap of bogus intelligence fed to Congress by the Bushies, had decided she had developed sufficient intelligence on her own to invade and undertake a nation-building fiasco in Iraq, you may well have a reason for those 60 million Americans not to vote for her!

    Of course, as was the case with many, she foolishly voted to give Bush authority for which he and his handlers campaigned for leverage as a negotiating tool, and never voted for going to war with Iraq.

    He was the "decider."

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  11. Bluesguy

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    Did I misinterpret what you posted? Seems that was the only reason given in what you posted "The likely Democratic presidential nominee for 2016 is Hillary Rodham Clinton, a White woman."

    Or can me give me any reasons one should vote FOR her?
     
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    I don't have to show, she said it herself.

    "I ended up voting for the resolution after carefully reviewing the information and intelligence I had available, talking with people whose opinions I trusted, trying to discount political or other factors that I didn't believe should be in any way a part of this decision, and it is unfortunate that we are at the point of a potential military action to enforce the resolution. That is not my preference, it would be far preferable if we had legitimate cooperation from Saddam Hussein, and a willingness on his part to disarm, and to account for his chemical and biological storehouses."

    2:20 into the video but you should listen to the entire video and tell if you still support her.
    Read more at http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=b83_1200118934#gcKAgCBPbSEsAGi4.99

    You do realize that Bush inherited the official policy of the United States to remove Saddam from power that Bill Clinton signed into law. It wasn't something new when he came into office.


    Sounds like a reason for those on the left NOT to vote for her.
    As always, the Congress votes the authority to do so the Commander in Chief decides if and when.
     
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    Proving my point thank you.
     
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    I'm sorry, what was your point again?

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    Obviously. You asked why someone would vote for Hilary Clinton, and I explained to you that I could not speak for the approximately 60 million Americans who will. Presumably the reasons are multifarious and varied, and can be weighed against her voting "Yea" on the Bush's Iraq resolution.

    Why you wish to believe that Hillary Clinton's "information and intelligence I had available" in voting the Bush the power to decide whether to launch an invasion and nation-building fiasco did not include the phony pretexts the Bushies has been touting is a matter I shall leave to you, as well as whether you are sufficiently upset by the prospect of 60 million Americans voting for Hillary Clinton to persist in expressing your intense consternation.

    You appear to seek neither clarity, enlightenment, nor to present an acceptable elective alternative to your fixation.

    That is how elections work. A choice is proffered, and voters indicate a preference.


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    I didn't ask you to speak for them, I asked YOU for YOUR reasons and opinions.

    Leave it to her, listen to her entire statement, the history of her position predates Bush.

    Please do not take the liberty to assign emotions to me, it only shows that your arguments have no merit.

    It is exactly what I seek and no one seems able to present.

    DUH, do you have anything of substance to add like why in the next election someone should vote FOR Hillary?

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    That no one can present a valid rational reason to vote FOR Hillary, how did you miss it when I have repeated it several times?
     
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    If she is the Democratic nominee, I suspect I would vote for her over say Sarah Palin, based on her policy positions, on health care, taxes, spending, education, etc..
    Care to tell us your reasons for voting for Sarah Palin.....
     
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    Over Hillary, because she was a successful mayor and a successful governor as far as her track record. I have no reason to believe she would not be successful although her qualifications are not stellar. We know the failure Hillary has been on the national and world stages and as SecState, why would one vote her to an even higher office. On health care she is already a proven failure too, Hillarycare was going to be a disaster and showed her inability to get legislation passed. Spending, she supported and voted for the huge increases in the deficits why would you vote for her on that? Education, she failed at that too when she was in charge of improving education in Arkansas, why would you vote for her on that. What exactly is her position on education what has she proposed? Taxes what is it she wants to do as far as taxes that you support?
     
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    The GOP must repent or God will not smite Hillary with a rock upsides her noggin.

     
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    She's a media entertainment celebrity, and there is a strain in the GOP that prefers them to actual politicians, but those who had to put up with her in her brief stint before she quit as governor of a state with a population smaller than Detroit's have formed their conclusions: In a poll released last month, only 18 percent of Alaskans think Palin should make a bid for the White House in 2016, with 77 percent— including 72 percent of Republicans — saying she should stay out of the election.
     
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    A successful mayor, in a town without street signs, they have a 10 million dollar hockey rink, and 10 million in debt.
    Yay.
    And quitting halfway through her first term as governor, that's a mighty low bar to call "success".

    On health care, she moved the ball forward, Democrats have been in favor of health care since Roosevelt called for a second bill of rights.
    That's real leadership and she didn't hold office, and she moved it to where the GOP proposed ObamaCare.
     
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    Yes a small city with all it's responsibilities. One with not only street signs but I bet they actually have a traffic light. Your sophomoric attempts to denigrate her notwithstanding.

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    What does Hillary have to top that? She served two terms on the city council also quite competently. She was also chairperson of the Alaska Oil and Gas Conservation Commission and serve quite admirably in the job. And then governor with a successful record. What was Hillary ever in charge of except the State Department and we know who she screwed up our foreign policy and got 4 Americans killed in the Benghazi blunder. If fact what did Obama have as a track record compared to Palin, a community organizer of no great merit?

    She fell completely on her face, she could even get her own party to support her plan.

    It was a total blunder and evidence of why she should NOT be President she is not very good at what the job entails.
     
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    Your head is going to explode when she wins isn't it?
     
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    Lack of response noted.

    Still no reasons to vote FOR Hillary noted too. What a candidate, no one can say why she should be elected.
     
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    And what exactly is her policy on the budget and what is her policy on taxes and of course she supports Obamacare but what are her policies to fix it?
     

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