Has Islam annihilated every civilization in it's path?

You know what they say, what goes around, comes around.

 

Believe me,, the Chinese have things well in control concerning Islam on their western borders in Central Asia. Look at the Uyghurs.

 

Of course, as an Athiest nation (not secular but atheist), they believe in no religion, and have beeen off and on in eradicating or suppressing all religions inside of their borders.

Not much of a claim I would ever endorse. Especially in during their eradication of the Uyghurs they essentially resorted to genocide. Something I would never endorse and would actively condemn.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dzungar_genocide

 

It does seem to make people uptight.

 

Yes.Toledo was famous for its steel long before the Moorish conquests; it was a favored source of weaponry for the Roman legions. 'Damascus steel' was actually a technique for making weapons, which in turn came from a type of steel that had been imported from southern India for a long time before Mohammed.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wootz_steel

 

Yes they did … as all others did in their history too at least, but they did not every(!) civilization of course … this will be BS to say.

At least when they conquer what is in Arabia and Africa, as well in parts of Asia, there were existing civilizations destroyed in these areas.
But this was done by most others like Christians being done too all over Europe and other areas as America too. Think about all the natives in Southern and Middle America like Aztecs and Inka destroyed by Spain. Think about existing cultures destroyed in Europe like Gaul, think about the crusades done in general or in Europe in the East (Poland, Baltics) in matter “change to be Christian or die!”.

On the other hand, Islam brought in Medieval much culture, education and progress. Here at this age the Islam was the modern and the Christians the uneducated trolls who forgot all progress and knowledge brought by Roman Empire, but being much more religious extremists as Jihadists of today.

 

Seriously? You really believe that? The rather brief Moorish 'enlightenment', i.e. basically Avorroes and co., and little else, didn't represent the conditions in the rest of the Islamic conquests, any more than the Nestorian christians in the longer but still brief era of a certain Caliph ruling in Baghdad represent the majority of Islamic 'culture'. As for the sanitation issues those had nothing at all to do with Islam or Arabs, those were practices adopted from Jewish engineers and the Byzantines. Islam was and still is, a parasitic political cult, not a religion that can produce a civilization. There was no Islamic 'Golden Age'; it's a complete myth. Rewriting Greek scrolls into Arabic doesn't constitute Arab 'genius', especially considering all that knowledge wouldn't have been lost in the first place without the rise of the bandit chief Mohammed and his army of murderers and thieves.

None of the pagan cults in Europe had anything going for them that anybody missed, either. Christianity won because it appealed to the most people, even when it was the object of intense and deadly persecution for hundreds of years, from all sides. It survived for a reason, and it isn't because of Popes or armies. If people can't figure out why they have other issues to work out.

 

A great deal of what we know of as "European History" and "technology" were most often re-inventions and imports from Asia. Everything from the writing and number systems used, to weapons (trebuchet, gunpowder weapons, watered steel, etc) flowed throughout the entire region for millenia. Even Japan developed a similar style of making blade steel, independent of those in Asia and Europe.

Toledo during that period was mostly famous because it was the center of one of the first steel working regions in the world. When most of Asia and Europe was using iron weapons, Toledo was already making steel. But by the Late Iron Age, steel was common and Toledo was loosing it's place as "best of the best", with the manufacture of steel being done in most of Europe and Asia.

 

I will opine that radical Sharia Law has annihilated every civilization in its path.

 

Good points!

And they apparently listened to a group of teachers within the early Messianic Jewish / Messianic Gentile Movement who were privy to information that the bulk of Christianity had rejected.

I am of the belief that a significant percentage of the pacification of Islam can emerge out of India! One of the civilizations that Islam has certainly not annihilated yet!

http://www.politicalforum.com/showthread.php?t=315020&page=3&p=1065856667#post1065856667

Did Rabbi Jesus/Yeshua learn about healing in India before teaching in Judaea?

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It has to be remembered that this was during the Golden Age of Islam, when the religion was very cosmopolatin, and almost universally recognized Christians and Jews as "people of the Book".

It is sad that the barbarism that Islam fell into after the Golden Age collapsed. The culture was amazing at the time, being largely secular, and having no problem with other Abrahamic religions co-existing in the same locations.

Many do not seem to realize that even after the conquest of Constantinople (and now being Istanbul not Constantinople), the leader of the Eastern Orthadox Church is still the Patriarch of Constantinople. Even over 500 years after the conquest of the Turks, the Patriarch still resides in Constantinople and was considered the spiritual leader of Christians in the Ottoman Empire (and in modern Turkey today).

Doubtful he ever left Israel, or if he did never going further then Egypt.

In that era, travel of more then 30-100 miles was almost unheard of. And other then a handfull of traders, going such a distance was almost unheard of. If you look through the Gospels, the most traveled individuals tend to be government workers (secular or religious), traders, and soldiers. Even Saul of Tarsus was unusually widely traveled, going from what is today Turkey to Israel, then to Rome itself and many places in between. However, he was also a temple functionary and his early travels were in doing his business.

Jews did not really settle in India until after the destruction of the Second Temple, in 70CE. So even a journeyman Jewish carpenter traveling past the Indus does not really fit into history of the era. Especially when the main route of the Silk Road from Israel actually went North. Through modern Iran and Afghanistan into China. Plus traders generally only went a couple of hundred miles on the route, picking up merchandise at one point and then selling it again at another. Only ambassadors and diplomatic groups ever really traversed the entire route until late in it's history.



The Southern Route was almost univerally controlled by the Arab Traders, and they traveled by sea (think SInbad the Sailor). These were small family companies, and almost never accepted outsiders.

And interestingly, this then ties in to the first part, the expansion of Islam. Many seem to forget that for most of their history, Arabs were among the most wide ranging of traders. They set up trade networks all over Africa, Asia, and parts of Europe. Philippines, Siam, China, they traveled to all of them long before Islam became their standard religion. And of course they then took their new religion with them when they went on trade missions.

 

Great post Mushroom.

I was so impressed that I quoted you in full here:

http://www.politicalforum.com/showthread.php?t=355452&page=10&p=1065876506#post1065876506

Is Malik Obama one of the worlds' most courageous Muslims?



In my opinion.....YES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!
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Thanks for that.

I think what confuses so many people in here is that I do not come in here to grind any kind of political axe. I discuss things logically, based only upon the facts that are known. And any facts of a group (say 5th century BCE Persians) has little to do with the same group 2,500 years later.

And of course the other fact that a great many people are happily ignorant. Ever notice how they all to often use 3 seperate terms like they were interchangeable?

Islam is a religion, practiced around the world.

Arab is a Semitic race, based around modern Saudi Arabia and near by nations.

Middle East is the region around the Persian Gulf, reaching out to Egypt and Turkey.

And yea, I get upset whenever somebody shows their ignorance, and seems proud of it.

Take Libya. They are Islamic by religion, Arabic by descent, but they are NOT "Middle Easterners".

Israel is Middle Eastern, but secular (predominantly Jewish), Semitic, but very few "Arab" (but there are indeed a lot of Arab Christians and Arab Jews").

Iran is Islamic and Middle Eastern. But they are not Arabs, they are Caucasian.

This is why I want to bang my head whenever I read something so incredibly stupid such as "The Arabs in Iran" or "Middle Easterners like in Libya". It is as stupid sounding as somebody saying "Those Chinese in Japan", "Spanish speaking nations like Brazil", or "The penguins in the Arctic". I read things like that and know immediately that I am 98% of the time dealing with an idiot.

 

Well said!

Do you think that I am being naïve to think that if we in the west began to quote a certain Islamic prophecy more often, a series of events could be set in motion that could transform the economy as well as the political atmosphere of the Middle East and North Africa?

http://www.politicalforum.com/opini...saving-new-orleans-florida-rising-oceans.html

The Sahara Forest Project...and saving New Orleans and Florida from rising oceans!



Did you know that there is an Islamic prophecy that the Islamic desert regions would be turned green in the latter days?????

This topic is of special interest to me because I live about a hundred miles from the Bay of Fundy. I live five kms from the ocean on the eastern part of Nova Scotia. In my area the difference between low tide to high tide is about one meter! The land form of the Bay of Fundy has a funnelling effect on tidal waters and so parts of the Fundy have a difference of fifteen to seventeen meters between low to high tide!

The question on my mind would be if ocean levels were to rise about thirty centimeters in my part of Nova Scotia, would they rise by four or five meters along parts of the Fundy????

There are 143,000 acres of farmland taken back from the Fundy by dikes that are probably in the position of the proverbial canary in a coal mine in relation to rising ocean levels!

Every cubic meter of H2O added to the water table of nations in the Middle EAst will NOT be on top of New Orleans, Florida, Holland, Bangladesh or those 143,000 acres along the Fundy!!!!!

I felt a huge sense of relief when I first heard about The Sahara Forest Project!


https://www.facebook.com/SaharaForestProject
Sahara Forest Project

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http://www.angelfire.com/moon2/koran/index.blog?topic_id=1021110

 

Any major internal changes for the positive have to be done from within.

Sure, an outside power can come in and force a change by destruction, but that is not what we need to do. You can not make a region, religion, or people be nice. The closest you can come is to show them that being barbaric has a price (generally paid in blood). But the problem is that if the group sees something like martyrdom or a belief in Apocryphal Salvation, then they will take what you can dish out and more and revel in it.

Think of the Catholic Church. For well over 1,000 years, it was among the most bloody religions on the planet. They sought out the destruction of any religion that opposed it, even other "Christian" faiths. Do not forget, the Crusades were not only against the Muslims, but also against the Eastern Orthadox Church. And in Europe you had the Protestant Wars as well as the Cleansing of Spain. Even to this day, most of the blood in Ireland over the past 200+ years have ultimately been about religion.

But in the last 100 years, Catholicism has become much more about building bridges and bringing groups together. Just in my lifetime we have seen Popes holding Mass in Eastern Orthadox and Jewish holy sites, and giving joint declarations affirming that their similarities are more important then their differences.

But those changes came from within the Catholic Church. Nobody on the outside forced them to become more accepting of other beliefs.

 

I personally am hoping that The Donald and Pope Francis can begin to cooperate over the meaning of Yom Kippur 2016 to 2017 being perhaps a Jubilee Year?!

http://www.politicalforum.com/showthread.php?t=419320&page=9&p=1065886337#post1065886337

Dear Pope Francis....... Sir..... please consider these words by Rabbi Nachman in your dealings with Mr. Donald Trump....... who could well be elected President of the United States on November 8?!

https://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Nachman_of_Breslov

Pope Francis...…Sir....... Rabbi Nachman was like another King Solomon for wisdom........ frankly...… I think that he was at an even higher level of consciousness than his grandfather was....... although yes.... .King Solomon..... was indeed an "anointed king" / Moshiach!

At this time there is no better advice that you could use to apply to your relationship with Mr. Donald Trump....... and with America....... .and with the nation of Israel.

The Donald has been perfectly prepared by G-d for a great work!

JUBILEE 2017!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!