Have you seen Brexit: The Full Movie?

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  1. James7

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    Have you seen Brexit: The Full Movie? It came out in 2016 just before the referendum:



    I found some of the facts and figures quoted in the film a little on the disturbing side. Is any of this true?

    This is what it says in the text accompanying the movie:

     
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    Could be talking about the Westminster government and Scotland, couldn't it? At least it could if it wasn't for the fact that the UK didn't have to beg the EU to allow them to have a referendum....the Tories just decided to have one without needing to ask permission.. That alone proves that the UK within the EU has sovereignty, while Scotland within the UK is a colony.
     
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    The film is just as relevant in 2019 as it was in 2016. I'm currently reading "Why Vote Leave" by Daniel Hannan and some of the stuff in the book is a real revelation for the average person and we just don't hear the full story in the mainstream media. There's such an anti-Brexit bias in the media and especially the BBC.

    I haven't really got that far but the author is keen to tell us that since joining the EEC, Europe has steadily dwindled economically right up to this day, so being trapped in a European trade zone is actually hampering our economy rather than helping us. However the EU has set out on a relentless drive to federalize the whole of Europe no matter what and one method it uses is cronyism and fat cheques for the bureaucrats. The British economy is also hamper by heaps of unnecessary and protectionist regulation from the EU that doesn't help us at all.

    What's going on in Westminster at the moment is the Remain camp playing for time in the hope that the British public will eventually get bored with Brexit and vote against it in a second referendum. It's almost too obvious.
     
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    How has being in the EU hampered our economy? What HAS hampered our economy is living in a country which produces little, bar financial services, that anyone in any other country wants at the prices we try to charge, with the result that there is a trade deficit. As Brexit, for some time to come, will have us under WTO rules, I don't see that as something to be welcomed, bearing in mind that we already have, via the EU, a number of trade agreements with other countries which we will have to re-negotiate before we all starve as we don't produce enough food to feed ourselves. .If I was a Commonwealth country, I'd make the UK pay through the nose for unceremoniously dumping them in favour of the EEC/EU in the 1970s.

    As long as there is a veto on certain issues in the EU, there is no chance of federalisation...and if that situation were to change...then THAT would be the time to Brexit. .

    It isn't the Remain camp which is playing for time, because playing for time gets us a no-deal Brexit, which is why we have the prorogation of Parliament by the Leave camp, leaving little time to do anything of use before October 31st. The Remain camp thinks that the only options to cancelling Brexit are to get a deal which does not breach the Good Friday Agreement in NI or have another referendum, now the voters know that the "easiest negotiation in history" is anything but and are more aware of the consequences of Brexiting. The Remain side wants a Brexit, if that is still the choice of the UK population, based on informed choice, not one based on lies on the side of a bus, and promises made by politicians, given we all know politicians' promises mean nothing....and THEN we might get behind it.
     
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    You’re hardly picking out fair and balanced sources yourself.

    The EU is a long way from a perfect institution but many of its failings are reflected in national governments too. After all, it’s largely the same people involved in both. It’s very easy to spin the complexities of such a wide and diverse social, political and economic area in either direction, and the campaigns both for and against Brexit did exact the in spades. You could find very similar material making the exact opposite arguments to yours which would be just as convincing, especially to someone already determined to lean that way.

    While the Brexit camp play for time in the hope that we fall out with no deal. It should be noted that most normal people aren’t really in either camp. The people who really care either way are the extremists.

    The basic fact is that the UK has similar potential to thrive (or indeed fail) regardless of whether we’re in the EU or not (or somewhere in between as was once an option). The major problem we’re facing at the moment is on of transition. Being out of the EU isn’t really a problem (or certainly not one we’ve even started addressing yet). Exactly how we proceed from one status to the other is the sticking point. All the politicians, especially the Brexiteers but also the Remainers, are spinning it as if it’s all simply about in or out when the reality is much more complicated. Even when (if!) we get past the current question one way or another, we’ll be faced with years of further transition, readjustment and reorganisation that I don’t think very many people have been in any way prepared for.
     

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