Healthcare solution thoughts

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  1. Margot2

    Margot2 Banned

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    "Selling insurance across state lines" is more Trump BS... That won't make any difference.

    You don't need a constitutional amendment to provide single-payer private delivery.. We have that in Medicare and it works.
     
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  2. Crawdadr

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    I dont know about Trump's stances I cannot keep track of all his tweets. But I can say that though Medicare is a program that does help many of our citizens I do not agree on it's existence under our Constitution. It is another case of our legislature ignoring our basic laws for convenience. Now I know this is opinion and better minds then my own in the supreme court have ruled otherwise. I just would like things done properly. We have mechanisms in our government to amend the stated powers of the federal bureaucracy. The only reason we dont is because of how hard it is to do, but that was and is the whole point. It should be hard to fundamentally change our government and the services it provides.
     
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    The 2.9 % payroll tax funds 87% of Medicare.
     
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  4. Crawdadr

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    I understand the reverence? I am not saying it is necessarily a bad program or even an inefficient one. I am saying it is an over reach of the stated powers of our government and that if our legislature is going to do something beyond its powers then it should amend the Constitution to grant it those powers or ask the states to do it for them.
     
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    It is only your personal opinion that Medicare is over reach.

    The Constitution specifically grants the federal government the power to accommodate the General Welfare of We the People.

    This is the legal definition of General Welfare;

    http://legal-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/General+Welfare

    There are valid reasons for the government to provide healthcare. Firstly a healthy population is good for the economy and secondly a healthy population means that there is manpower to defend the nation if necessary.
     
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    First sorry about spell check I meant relevance.

    Second you are correct it is my opinion I consider healthcare local welfare not general. Basically I agree with James Madison not Alexander Hamilton.
     
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    Ahhhh...C'mon, cut all the crap.

    Just charge a sales and service tax and a $15 or $20 office visit co-pay to pay for a basic socialized healthcare option. Keep what we got for the well off and add a socialized option for all as a back up. Even the foreigners will chip in to keep us healthy. Everyone gets something.

    Only loser is big medicine that can't rape the system as much with the socialized option.

    But this is too radical for the US. All you will ever get is more of the same and worse and worse. This has been debated to death, NO option ever been presented that will work other than what I propose.

    Well...maybe try to hire India, Mexico or China to run our healthcare for 10% on the dollar. But that is about it.
     
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    700% ? Easily. Not even on the same planet. Medicare / Medicaid are programs, not organizations with overhead functions the cost of which need to be absorbed. That's about as good an analysis as I've seen from consultants hired to sell the attributes of federal run programs --- for that I thank you. But that's not saying much since the analysis forgets to account for a mountain of costs in a $3.8T Federal Government and about the same for state and local governments. 700% difference obtained by comparing the differences between two sets of numbers that are relatively close is not that impressive. Add in the fact that those sets of numbers were obtained by two completely different analyses and the analysis has absolutely no credibility.
     
  9. Lil Mike

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    Not strictly true. It covers 87% of part A (hospital care) but only 38% of total Medicare costs.

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