Hillary Clinton Beats Trump in Popular Vote /MOD WARNING

the problem with that is caretakers and such voting for patients that can not vote themselves.... best to have a notary public witness it

"and if I wanted to cheat I would have to sign each of them in a way that matches the state voter registration database."

are you sure each one is checked against such a database, would they notify you if your signature did not match, if they did that here I would have to have someone else sign for me to test it

 

The electoral vote is an objectively better way to hold an election.

Welcome to the bigger,better, stronger America. You are welcome here.

 

yep, just like you all were welcome under Obama, we are all welcome under Trump.... that never changes even though we have our disagreements

in 4 years it could be a dem that wins again and you will still be welcome to the bigger,better, stronger America.
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This would be a home service notary public? And, if you happen to be in Puerto Vallarta?

Yes, they have a machine that automatically shows the database signature and the signature from the ballot package side by side on a screen. An operator presses "yes" or "no".

Yes, they do notify you if your signature doesn't match. You can then go in and fix that if you've allowed enough time before the election deadline.

You can also check on-line to see if your ballot has been counted.

 

Glad we agree on something I suppose.

 

So it is a subjective comparison by abuiman who can't wait to get through their shift while they are wondering who is going to win Dancing With the Stars that night or wishing they had mkt drank so much the night before? How much training did they get in detecting forgery?

 

I do not believe that verification is done for all absentee ballots, there would be so many false positives on signature verification that we would hear about it

 

baby steps

 

Yes they get training. And, I don't see that as much of an issue, as without knowing how someone signed their name for the registration database, the chance of coming anywhere close is ridiculously small.

For example, if you stole my ballot, you would have no chance of duplicating my signature. And, I would miss my ballot and would have plenty of time to notify the authorities so my ballot could be marked to be not counted and I would get a new ballot.

 

We don't have "absentee ballots".

There is one system that we all use.

There are zero polling places in the entire state of WA. And, we aren't the only ones.

As for checking, I have a friend who was notified that his signature didn't match. He went to his local counting facility and fixed the problem, as he simply didn't sign in exactly the same way.

Checking goes pretty fast, as there are machines that put the two signatures on the screen, so the operator just pushes a yes/no button and then the next signatures pop up on the screen. Plus, people have two or three weeks to vote, so votes are counted over a rather long period - not just the day of the election. Most ballots are in before the election day deadline.

 

Really how many weeks do they spend in class to be able to detect a forged signature to the same standard as an FBI or Secret Service agent? How long do they spend examining each ballot for signs of forgery? And if you move out of town and were registered and voted in another state and you your brother go the ballot and you told him to cast it for you............. Or you former landlord has your current address and knows you move out of state and he gets your ballot and cast it using a copy of your signature after you last rent check........ Or you died and your spouse decides to vote in your name (as we know happened in a previously cite incident, I think it was 9 times).

Pardon me if I don't swallow your claim that all these volunteers, and I bet a lot are senior citizens without the best eyesight, are experts at detecting forged signatures.

And quite frankly there is no way I want the government to get hold of my ballot with my name on it.

 

Actually Hillary did not win the popular vote. Hillary one around 64 million votes. Those that did not vote for her is approximately 68 million.

 

People below the poverty line pay negligible taxes compared to people above it, that's what a tiered tax system is for. If you're genuinely in poverty and can't afford to prevent the starvation of other human beings lest you starve yourself, you aren't going to be paying much; if you are perfectly capable of feeding yourself after taxes, you have no right to complain.

I rank my moral concerns as Death, Suffering, and Lack of Consent, in that order; everything I consider immoral can ultimately be traced to those three things. Government is morally allowed to do things Without Consent in order to minimize Suffering and Death, such as taking taxes and enforcing laws. Taking taxes from people who can, in fact, afford it, in order to keep people fed, clothed, and housed (and thus minimize death and suffering), is a moral good.

Fine, she won the plurality of the vote, not the majority (assuming those statistics are true), Mr. Nitpick, our elections are based on pluralities, winning a plurality of the popular vote is still called winning the popular vote.

 

Except it really doesn't count.