Hitler Wasn't An Atheist and nor were his Nazis

Read, you silly person. Hitler talked big but obeyed his masters, just like your politicians now. The allies wanted to win and kept the thieves in check for a while, as you'd know if you'd read any history.

 

Well, for the Peanut Gallery, here is a Hitler Youth manual that pretty much lays out the NSDAP policies as determined by Hitler. It's a government manual, and not some speech tailored for a specific audience or other, so it would carry more weight than selectively citing some 2-3 decades of contradictory political speeches and hubris.

http://www.nazi.org.uk/political pdfs/NaziPrimer-TheHitlerYouthManual.pdf

One can also look up the songs of the Hitler Youth as well, if more is needed.

As for the capitalist influences on Hitler, his speech at the Düsseldorf Industrialists Club, made when he threw the Strasserites and populists in the NSDAP under the bus, and later looked the other way when Goering and Himmler had Strasser murdered, pretty much lined up the industrialists and capitalists like Schact , the former Reichbank executive, among others behind Hitler.

 

.. and once again you IGNORE my actual question to then reply with a non sequitur. Your reply does not relate to what I asked. Don't sanctimoniously tell me to READ when YOU are the one who doesn't READ what I wrote.

 

Socialism does depend on the role of the state, whether in Democratic Socialist states (like the European model, which your so called existence depends on, no doubt) or Hitler's National Socialist model (in which all business were expected to yield to the state). The state, in fact, IS the pure necessary identifying mark of socialism. Without state intervention there is no socialism: only communism or capitalism.

Not many people are under the mistaken belief that our government does not meddle, dictate, direct and form a sort of de facto socialist/caplitalist hybrid that this nation operates under.
There are only illinformed condescending buffoon outsiders that like to pretend they know what Americans think and believe and pee their pants in glee when they think they are sticking their grimy fingers in our eyes.

What is the point is denying Hitler was socialist when Hitler himself was utterly sure and extremely aware that he was and rationally pointed that out in his writings?
Only a fool would argue with a chicken over whether he was a bird or not.

 

...And yet you do so. Extensively.

 

From the Hitler Youth Manual: "Then, by the National Inheritance Law of September 29, 1933,
farmers were relieved of the burdens of the capitalistic land law, which treated
land as an article of trade. From now on peasant estates are fundamentally nonsaleable,
non-distrainable, and indivisible."

What, if any, of this policy can be considered capitalistic? And in what way is this not wholly socialistic?

"From now on peasant estates are fundamentally nonsaleable,
non-distrainable, and indivisible. Any further pernicious breaking up of
peasant holdings is thereby checked. The Reich Food Estate Law of September
13, 1933 supplied the legal basis for organizing the agricultural estate itself. The
farming population, broken up into many hundreds of organizations, associations,
and groups was brought together into one great front and transformed into a
mobilized instrument of National Socialist agrarian policy. By the same law, a
comprehensive system for regulating markets was also set up which assured the
sale of agricultural products and provided an economically just price for them."

Even the persistent braying of know nothings can deny this.

 

Oh, I'm sorry. You must be so disappointed and angry that your little fables and beliefs all turn out to be false and lies. You should really learn to think for yourself, someday.

 

"You" wan war - but you lost your empire. "We" lost war - but we wan new degrees of freedom and some new and old friends.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lFxbgwoumKQ

 

What? No, it was Neitzsche's ideas of man being superman, of the "will to power", ideals that were twisted to justify aggression and racial glorification, that sort of thing appealed to the nazis, not so much the atheism.

Of course. I dont believe I implied otherwise.

What idiocy leads you to such a conclusion? Or did you just want to insult me for no good reason?

I'd say anti-christianity rather than anti-christian but you might see that as a minor distinction.

So, a non-reply? That's the best you can do? Does he speak of God's will in Mein Kampf or doesn't he?

I'm not even sure what you're getting at there, except again it seems you just want to insult me.

I spoke of atheism there, not his will to kill. Try to post replies that are in some way remotely relevant next time, would you please?

I didn't try to compare the two. You're changing the subject yet again. However I admit I'm not inclined to bicker over such a minor point.

edit: apologies, I misread 'compatible' as 'comparable'. So it's just a tired old No True Scotsman fallacy. Predictable.

You're very correct there. He was an opportunist. And yet, unless I am mistaken, he never once took the opportunity to deny that any god existed.

What a ridiculous and childish line of questioning. I have no idea if he felt it necessary to make the statement 'I am a man'. Are you suggesting he was a woman, or an alien, or an animal, or something? What on earth are you getting at?

 

What did you write?

 

The "will to power" replaces the "will of god" - that's also somehow the same as atheism.

Confusion or Clearness - what would you say to all this words now? Example: How can someone be seriosly a supporter of anti-Christianity or anti-Humanity with atheists like Hitler and Stalin in front of his eyes - even if he likes to be an enemy of Christians and/or the christian religion on what reasons exactly?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K7IsLbtlj_c

 

None of these places is socialist. I'm afraid you are a brainwashed yank, for whom pharaonic Egypt or Imperial China were 'socialist'. McCarthy prevented you knowing anything about these matters, poor dab. Socialism is control by the working class.

Your government is the central committee of the capitalist class. What has this to do with anything? Are you sober?

I'm afraid that, if not drunk, you are so brainwashed as to be near half-witted. Big capitalist firms do not support racists because they are socialists, you extremely silly fellow, but because they will preserve capitalism against the wishes of the majority. Do try to grow up and think!

 

They're not incompatible. One who is predisposed toward religion can retain it will still adopting the core ideals of the will to power.

Sorry, who is the supporter of anti-humanity?

And what possible reason would there be that the existence of horrible human beings should stop anyone being anti-Christian? The two are wholly unconnected.

 

You haven't addressed the issue and witless impotent insults don't constitute evidence or an argument. You are flailing.

Like where on earth does this happen, for instance? Who controls France? And why do you think it's not a socialist state?

Is this a statement? A question? A contention? Does it have anything to do with Hitler's socialism?
If you aren't here to illuminate you must be here to just confuse and muddle the issue. Why not simply leave?

Did you read the excerpts from the Hitler Youth manual? If not go away and don't come back until you have. The issue is closed...especially for you.

You make intelligent discussion of issues impossible.

 

Like a baby, full of simple faith and total ignorance! What issue exactly do you want me to address? The fact that the capitalist' bum-boys tell lies, and the brainwashed believe 'em? Hello, important issue!

 

see post #94 which is quoted by you in post #97

 

NO - there are no 'free countries' in the sense that the capitalists don't control them in their own interests - they control all countries. The Nazis set up a system whereby all the opponents of capitalism were arrested and murdered, but no, they never controlled the economy at all. Their system was pure capitalism: the only alternative is socialism, but the capitalists murder all who try to achieve it, as you know.

 

Absolutely witless babble considering all the socialist reforms the National Socialist party put into place in the early thirties.
And for people that actually think the answers are readily discernable. Some people just can't let go of their little lies, however.

"The (Nazi) party was founded out of the far-right racist völkisch German nationalist movement and the violent anti-communist Freikorps paramilitary culture that fought against the uprisings of communist revolutionaries in post-World War I Germany. Advocacy of a form of socialism by right-wing figures and movements in Germany became common during and after World War I, influencing Nazism. Arthur Moeller van den Bruck of the Conservative Revolutionary movement coined the term "Third Reich", and advocated an ideology combining the nationalism of the right and the socialism of the left. Prominent Conservative Revolutionary member Oswald Spengler's conception of a "Prussian Socialism" influenced the Nazis. The party was created as a means to draw workers away from communism and into völkisch nationalism. Initially, Nazi political strategy focused on anti-big business, anti-bourgeois, and anti-capitalist rhetoric, although such aspects were later downplayed in order to gain the support of industrial entities, and in 1930s the party's focus shifted to anti-Semitic and anti-Marxist themes."

 

If you feel so ...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cKW3iKYzVk0

 

Psychological projection was first conceptualized by Sigmund Freud as a defense mechanism where a person subconsciously denies his or her own negative attributes by ascribing them to the outside world instead. Thus, projection involves imagining or projecting faults onto others.

 

What a deceptive long winded way of saying you have no way of countering the evidence that Hitler was a socialist. It must sadden you terribly.

 

Indeed. He also was a vegetarian, if that means something... like being kind to animals.
He also had a heart for children. There is this story where he was driving from A to B and would pass through a certain village. He was dead tired and his driver offered to take a small detour and avoid the village. He said, no, I can't disappoint the children.

Forgive me the little detour, please. I also needed to correct some minor spelling errors.

 

Hitler tolerated Christianity, the same way he tolerated capitalism, but by no means embraced it and used it to further his Nazi party.

"Many historians say that Hitler had a general covert plan, which some say existed even before the Nazis' rise to power, to destroy Christianity within the Reich, which was to be accomplished through control and subversion of the churches and to be completed after the war.

Many clergy were killed by the Nazis. In the annexed territory of Reichsgau Wartheland the persecution was most severe: churches were systematically closed and most priests were either killed, imprisoned, or deported to the General Government. Eighty per cent of the Catholic clergy and five bishops of Warthegau were sent to concentration camps in 1939,108 of them are regarded as blessed martyrs. Religious persecution was not confined to this region: in Dachau concentration camp alone, 2,600 Catholic priests from 24 different countries were killed. The Catholic Church was particularly suppressed in Poland: between 1939 and 1945, an estimated 3,000 members (18%) of the Polish clergy, were murdered; of these, 1,992 died in concentration camps"

 

I hope you have a source for your statements. Much gets said now that Hitler is gone. I don't know much, but just read in German, that even during the Third Reich period the catholic as well as the protestant churches got paid by the state... just like it was done during the Kaiser Reich and the Weimarer Republic. The Vatican supported Hitler. To this day he has not been excommunicated from the catholic church.
BUT... I read that individual priests who opposed the Hitler regime were incarcerated.
The Jehovah's Witnesses had to go underground as well as other religious groups not affiliated with the two main churches.

Hitler also took religious instructions out of the public schools. The three Rs were more important.