Hitler's hatred of the Jews (part 2)

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    I'm not really sure where you are going with your logic that Hitler only hated Jews that he perceived to be a threat. It's unclear to me if you are trolling, or just uniformed to the fact that every Jewish person was perceived to be a threat to Germany unless proven otherwise. I am aware that Hitler protected his mother's Jewish doctor from the horrors of the holocausts, however this notion that the select few who were protected were not the exception doesn't really hold up too well. For every Jewish person Hitler personally protected, there were millions more who had their businesses, properties, and freedom taken away from them, or were outright killed.

    To act as if those who were protected represented his real views of the Jewish people, and that the millions who were put in camps or killed were the exception is illogical. Not even Hitler himself would agree with this notion, and anyone who reads his Reichstag speech can see that... which by the way, called for the elimination of the Jews, but not once did it call for the elimination of communism, or address communism as a primary threat. This idea that the Nazis views of the Jewish people revolved around communism is not consistent with history. In fact, the Nazis' caricature of the Jews depicted them as greedy and business driven, and they advocated that German citizens should not take part in any commercial exchanges with Jewish run businesses.

    This is just one example of the Nazi's propaganda against the Jewish people, this one is a children's book from 1938, the text begins “Money is the god of the Jew. He commits the greatest crimes to earn money. He won’t rest until he can sit on a great sack of money.”



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    Fortunately for you, you are only presenting your notion on an internet forum. However, if you were presenting it as a part of a history assignment, you would no doubt fail your class.
     
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    this mural was painted in london recently. anti jewish? apparently it was and so was erased by the council...


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    Why is it that victims of Hollywood - Holocaust Industry propaganda cannot refute a single Post I've written without insulting personal slurs and off-topic slander?

    Re:
    Even a cursory view of this thread's history will show that I have repeatedly debunked the profitable anti German slander that is the profitable, standard Holocaust narrative.

    I would think that since you've been unable to refute a single fact I've presented, accusations of "trolling" are as unfounded as those that claim I am "just uninformed".
    Not a single person, including yourself, has supported their assertions as thoroughly as I have.

    Over 50 years ago, I lived, worked and studied in what was then West Germany where I either knew or lived and worked with dozens of Holocaust survivors, war Veterans of various nationalities and elderly civilians who survived post WW 1 starvation, subsequent chaos, Hitler's rise to power and Allied fire bombings.

    Like the thousands of camp survivors interviewed by the Red Cross(1), none of these people knew anything about homicidal gas chambers or a genocidal German agenda except from Allied propaganda.(2)
    Because of the machinations of the OWI (Office of War Information) and Hollywood's movie moguls, Allied WW 2 propaganda was / is second to none.

    Who has not seen at least parts of Billy Wilder's "The Death Mills" that featured the infamous human skin lampshades, shrunken heads, human fat soap and other deliberate attempts to deceive the world and demonize the Germans.

    Regrettably many people don't realize that the already horrific conditions were staged(3); the body piles of dead Jews were supplemented with the corpses of dead German civilians and German POWs. Emaciated victims of typhus were misrepresented as deliberate starvation victims when there was no deliberate starvation policy.(4)

    Of course all of the German run camps were in horrible condition at the end of the war when food, medicine and other supplies were unavailable. The International Red Cross blamed the deadly shortages on Allied bombing of supply lines to the camps but the results were catastrophic even before "staging"(3) by Allied movie - propagandists.

    Additional evidence that you and others who believe the standard Holocaust narrative have been deceived is the fact that the fraudulent Holocaust Industry has repeatedly been caught fabricating false survivor stories for money while they cheat other survivors, the German taxpayers and deceive people like you. (5), (6)

    Just as you have been deceived about human skin lampshades, homicidal gas, steam and electrocution chambers (7), you have been deceived about Hitler's alleged hatred toward all Jews.

    I've already written about Hitler's conflicted and vacillating feelings about Jews and simply don't see a visceral and obsessive hatred of Jews.

    Finally, watch out for "genuine translations" of Hitler's speeches and other documents because many have been deliberately mistranslated to sound more malevolent and hysterical than in reality.
    Why would Hitler have a writing relationship ("Pen Pal") with young, Jewish Rosa Nienau who shared the same birthday?
    There are just too many facts that contradict the residual Allied propaganda narrative.

    I look forward to a civil and substantive response.

    Thanks,



    (1). "THE JEWS AND THE CONCENTRATION CAMPS:

    A FACTUAL APPRAISAL BY THE RED CROSS"
    http://all.net/books/iw/mid-east/unity-news.2000-12-03/www.ummah.net/unity/holocaust/09.htm

    EXCERPT "In dealing with this comprehensive, three-volume Report, it is important to stress that the delegates of the International Red Cross found no evidence whatever at the camps in Axis- occupied Europe of a deliberate policy to exterminate the Jews. In all its 1,600 pages the Report does not even mention such a thing as a gas chamber. It admits that Jews, like many other wartime nationalities, suffered rigours and privations, but its complete silence on the subject of planned extermination is ample refutation of the Six Million legend." CONTINUED


    (2). “Auschwitz: Myths and Facts”
    http://www.ihr.org/leaflets/auschwitz.shtml

    EXCERPT “Allied Propaganda

    The Auschwitz gassing story is based in large part on the hearsay statements of former Jewish inmates who did not personally see any actual signs of extermination. Their beliefs are understandable, because rumors about gassings at Auschwitz were widespread. Allied planes dropped large numbers of leaflets, written in Polish and German, on Auschwitz and the surrounding areas which claimed that people were being gassed in the camp. The Auschwitz gassing story, which was an important part of the Allied wartime propaganda effort, was also broadcast to Europe by Allied radio stations. [15] CONTINUED

    15. Nuremberg document NI-11696. NMT "green series," Vol. 8, p. 606.


    (3). “The Director of the Holocau$t - Khazar Expatriate Billy Wilder”
    https://archive.org/details/TheDirectorOfTheHolocaut-KhazarExpatriateBillyWilder

    EXCERPT . Using Allied propaganda as a rough script, directors from Hollywood were shipped to Germany and Poland to direct propaganda films for post-war use. One of the most notable of these was Billy Wilder, director of meny very well known films, such as "Some Like It Hot" with Marilyn Monroe." CONTINUED


    (4). “Allied Forensic Autopsies Confirm Disease, Not Gas”

    https://20thcenturytruth.wordpress.com/allied-forensic-autopsies-confirm-disease-not-gas/
    EXCERPTS
    "Typhus, Not Poison Gas"
    "Dr. Gordon’s findings are corroborated by Dr. Russell Barton, today a psychiatrist of international repute, who entered Bergen-Belsen with British forces as a young medical student in 1945. Barton, who volunteered to care for the diseased survivors, testified under sworn oath in a Toronto courtroom in 1985 that “Thousands of prisoners who died at the Bergen-Belsen concentration camp during World War II weren’t deliberately starved to death, but died from a rash of diseases.”

    Dr. Barton further testified that on entering the camp he had credited stories of deliberate starvation but decided such stories were untrue after inspecting the well equipped kitchens and the meticulously maintained ledgers, dating back to 1942, of food cooked and dispensed each day." CONTINUED


    (5). "17 CHARGED IN $42 MILLION HOLOCAUST FRAUD CASE"

    http://www.nbcnews.com/id/40093058/...ed-million-holocaust-fraud-case/#.XU62pSMwi_U

    EXCERPT "Federal prosecutors said Tuesday they have broken up a long-running scam in which people falsely claimed to be victims of the Nazi persecution so they could get money out of a fund that pays Holocaust reparations."CONTINUED


    (6)"HOLOCAUST CLAIMS CONFERENCE FRAUD LIKELY ‘MUCH HIGHER’ THAN $57 MILLION"
    http://www.jpost.com/Diaspora/Holoc...aud-likely-much-higher-than-57-million-408298

    EXCERPT "For over a decade, a criminal ring within the organization embezzled tens of millions of dollars through false restitution claims.”CONTINUED


    (7). "Auschwitz Electrical Conveyor belt of Death"
    https://disjecta.wordpress.com/2018/01/26/auschwitz-electrical-conveyor-belt-of-death/

    EXCERPT "It’s a little known fact that running alongside the scientifically implausible gas chambers at Auschwitz ran the electrified conveyor belts of death. These industrialised slaughter belts, we can assume took the passive cargo directly from the “cattle cars” and electrocuted the hapless victims without struggle then disposed of the evidence in Nazi furnaces. One can only guess at the “special devices” for killing children. Somehow visions of Willy Wonka’s Chocolate/extermination factory spring to mind."CONTINUED



    (eight). “When Hitler Honored Jewish Soldiers”
    https://www.haaretz.com/jewish/.premium-when-hitler-honored-jewish-soldiers-1.5254336

    EXCERPT “The Nazi regime conferred honors on many of the 100,000 Jews who fought in the German army in the Great War, even on some who had already escaped to Palestine.” CONTINUED


    (9). “5 Jews Hitler Actually Liked”
    https://historyofyesterday.com/5-jews-hitler-actually-liked-c702217e1aa5

    EXCERPT “Surprisingly, during this time in his life, Hitler also had extremely good relationships with Jewish people. At his house in Vienna, almost all of his friends were Jewish, with Josef Neumann being the closest.

    And when Hitler took over Germany, he spared some of his old Jewish friends, kept some in his party, and even formed new friendships.” CONTINUED
     
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    Well first of all, I'm not really sure what you are talking about when you refer to personal attacks or off topic slander. One ought to understand the difference between a personal insult, and having their argument critiqued. Having your argument critiqued is a part of sitting at the adult's table and having a grown up discussion. Saying that Hitler only hated Jews that he considered a threat, without acknowledging that him and the Nazi party considered all Jews to be a threat until proven otherwise is an unreasonable argument. Addressing said argument as such is not a personal insult, or off topic slander. And in case you are unaware, there are many many people on the internet who intentionally make unreasonable arguments, who are not sincere about their position, but do so in an effort to be obtuse. When one presents an unreasonable argument to such a degree, people are going to call into question on whether or not that person is sincere about their position, or if they are simply uninformed on something that is common knowledge

    Second, I don't recall attempting to rebut anything specifically, other than the unsupported claims that Hitler's position on the Jews revolved around communism. Furthermore, I don't find it reasonable to base an argument around proving a negative. Rather than prove a negative, one should provide something to support their own statement. I provided evidence to support my statement that the Nazis' caricature of the Jews depicted them as greedy and business driven. I can also provide quotes from Hitler himself describing them in that manner. The Nazis took a lot of inspiration from how Martin Luther described the Jews, and would often quote him in their speeches. Martin Luther called for confiscating property from Jewish businessmen, and forcing them into labor services. There's a long history of anti-Semitism in Germany that pre-dates communism by hundreds of years. The Nazis' position on the Jews definitely was not centered around communism, but if you believe otherwise, then you ought to provide something to support that position rather than establishing an expectation of proving a negative. This is especially true when you present a notion that goes against the historical consensus.

    Third, I don't recall ever denying that Hitler had Jewish friends. It's a pretty well known fact that he did, he had a pretty famous autobiography where he described having Jewish friends in his younger life, and how he was initially repulsed by anti-Semitic propaganda when he was first introduced to it. It wasn't until he lived as a homeless man in Vienna that he came around to embracing the anti-Semitic position himself. That is according to his own description of how he came to support the Nazi ideology. It is not unreasonable to bring up this part of his life, what is unreasonable is treating this part of his life as something that is more prevalent than his ant-Semitic position, and acting as if the Jews he persecuted were some sort of exception to what his real views were. We know what his real views of the Jews were, because he himself described what his views of them were, and he was responsible for having millions of them placed in concentration camps and killed.

    Enough said
     
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    Before I write anything else, I want to thank you for your refreshingly civil response. It was your initial suggestion that I was "trolling" that I felt was insulting. I would have thought that both the number of my Posts and the degree to which my assertions have been supported were evidence enough of my sincerity in rejecting the fraudulent Holocaust narrative.

    If you were to read other responses to Posts I have written, it is impossible to ignore their snarky, insulting and sanctimonious tone or their evasive nature when confronted with well supported facts. I hope you will agree that people can disagree without being disagreeable.

    Re:
    I didn't expect you to try to refute the fact that there were about 150,000 Jews in Hitler's military including 25 Jewish Generals or that there were high ranking Jews in the National Socialist Party. I feel that those two realities, alone, negate the possibility of a genocidal German agenda.

    It seems rather obvious that if a goal is to destroy an entire group of people, one does not make Generals in charge of thousands of armed soldiers out of the persecuted group.

    I agree that the Jews are among those persecuted and even murdered but that shabby treatment was not confined to just Germany. It is commonly known that the Jews have been persecuted and / or driven out of countless countries other than Germany.
    For example, the Poles were among several countries that used the fog of war and German occupation to act on their own long existing hatred of their country's Jews.
    A 1946 US State Department document reports that: "...Poles persecuted the Jews as vigorously as did the Germans” during the World War II Nazi occupation of Poland." (1)

    I wrote, earlier that it was Communist Jews that Hitler disliked and feared.
    Hitler was not the only European leader who expressed fear and hostility toward Communism's "International" Jewish leadership.
    In 1920, Winston Churchill wrote:
    "There is no need to exaggerate the part played in the creation of Bolshevism and in the actual bringing about of the Russian Revolution by these international and for the most part atheistical Jews. It is certainly a very great one; it probably outweighs all others."(2)

    Meanwhile:
    "David R. Francis, United States ambassador in Russia, warned in a January 1918 dispatch to Washington: "The Bolshevik leaders here, most of whom are Jews and 90 percent of whom are returned exiles, care little for Russia or any other country but are internationalists and they are trying to start a worldwide social revolution." (2)

    And:

    "The Netherlands' ambassador in Russia, Oudendyke, made much the same point a few months later: "Unless Bolshevism is nipped in the bud immediately, it is bound to spread in one form or another over Europe and the whole world as it is organized and worked by Jews who have no nationality, and whose one object is to destroy for their own ends the existing order of things." (2)

    While the Jewish people are generally known for their innumerable contributions to mankind, Jewish writer Sonya Margolina warned that Jewish overrepresentation in the Cheka, NKVD, the Communist Party and the murdering of the Russian royal family would come back to haunt the Jewish people later:

    " In a recently published book about the Jews in Russia during the 20th century, Russian-born Jewish writer Sonya Margolina goes so far as to call the Jewish role in supporting the Bolshevik regime the "historic sin of the Jews."28 She points, for example, to the prominent role of Jews as commandants of Soviet Gulag concentration and labor camps, and the role of Jewish Communists in the systematic destruction of Russian churches. Moreover, she goes on, "The Jews of the entire world supported Soviet power, and remained silent in the face of any criticism from the opposition." In light of this record, Margolina offers a grim prediction:

    "The exaggeratedly enthusiastic participation of the Jewish Bolsheviks in the subjugation and destruction of Russia is a sin that will be avenged Soviet power will be equated with Jewish power, and the furious hatred against the Bolsheviks will become hatred against Jews."


    I feel that I must further clarify that I do not in any way excuse of condone the persecution of anyone but it seems clear that Hitler was not the only world leader to be shocked and repulsed by the gangland style mass murder of Russia's royal family and subsequent atrocities. (3)

    Churchill, too, was strongly opposed to: ".....these international and for the most part atheistical Jews."(2) so
    after reading some of the quotes above, can you now see that Hitler was not the only person to notice "international" Jewish control of murderous Communism / Bolshevism?

    I'm not quite clear what you meant by "proving a negative" and how it relates to what I've written but I hope you can see that it was the " international, atheistic" Communist Jews that Hitler feared and hated and not all Jews.

    Thanks,


    P.S.: In addition to being firebombed by fanatic Holocaust believers, I realize that I.H.R. is loudly reviled by mainstream Holocaust believers but footnotes to primary texts are listed throughout the article.



    (1). "1946 US report said ‘Poles persecuted the Jews as vigorously as did the Germans’"

    "Post-war declassified State Department document found long history of Polish anti-Semitism before, during and after Holocaust"

    https://www.timesofisrael.com/1946-...ed-the-jews-as-vigorously-as-did-the-germans/

    EXCERPT "A US State Department report from May 15, 1946, found “evidence that Poles persecuted the Jews as vigorously as did the Germans” during the World War II Nazi occupation of Poland.

    The declassified report was distributed Thursday by the Simon Wiesenthal Center, the same day that a Polish law making it a crime to accuse the Polish nation of Nazi-era atrocities took effect. Also Thursday, senior Israeli and Polish diplomats met in Jerusalem in a bid to resolve differences over the law." CONTINUED


    (2)" The Jewish Role in the Bolshevik Revolution and Russia's Early Soviet Regime"
    "Assessing the Grim Legacy of Soviet Communism"

    https://www.ihr.org/jhr/v14/v14n1p-4_Weber.html


    (3). "Stalin's Jews"

    "We mustn't forget that some of greatest murderers of modern times were Jewish"
    https://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3342999,00.html

    EXCERPT "And us, the Jews? An Israeli student finishes high school without ever hearing the name "Genrikh Yagoda," the greatest Jewish murderer of the 20th Century, the GPU's deputy commander and the founder and commander of the NKVD. Yagoda diligently implemented Stalin's collectivization orders and is responsible for the deaths of at least 10 million people.

    In 1934, according to published statistics, 38.5 percent of those holding the most senior posts in the Soviet security apparatuses were of Jewish origin. They too, of course, were gradually eliminated in the next purges.

    Many Jews sold their soul to the devil of the Communist revolution and have blood on their hands for eternity. We'll mention just one more: Leonid Reichman, head of the NKVD's special department and the organization's chief interrogator, who was a particularly cruel sadist."CONTINUED




     
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    I just came across this video series. I've only watched the first three parts but I'm posting it all anyway. Part three deals with a book. I posted a link to where it can be read online. I haven't had time to read it yet. Part 2 deals with the Jew-communism connection.


    Awaken: From the Lies. [part.1]
    https://www.brighteon.com/b882816d-62a8-4c56-b8af-639a9fd28530

    Awaken: From the Lies. [part.2]
    https://www.brighteon.com/3d638063-c983-42fc-8e89-19c62ef88b6f

    Awaken: From the Lies. [part.3]
    https://www.brighteon.com/82f7f7f2-1950-4a79-b18a-4699802ffe46

    Germany must perish!
    https://archive.org/details/dudeman5685_yahoo_GMP/page/n1/mode/2up?view=theater

    Awaken: From the Lies. [part.4]
    https://www.brighteon.com/db397a50-7315-48d2-8eaf-e77ce9689863

    Awaken: From the Lies. [part.5]
    https://www.brighteon.com/ce8d385f-81f9-4524-80a9-864576a60350

    Awaken: From the Lies. [part.6]
    https://www.brighteon.com/74a6ef14-3082-4773-ac80-86c9b3d56011

    Awaken: From the Lies. [part.7]
    https://www.brighteon.com/875554ed-f0b6-4ff3-8b2b-392f3253c55a

    Awaken: From the Lies. [part.8]
    https://www.brighteon.com/e9a2b72b-1175-4200-9b4b-821db62bc04c
     
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    I just saw something strange in part 5. At the 15:08 time mark there's a burnt body of a woman but her hair is not burnt at all. Something smells here.
     
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    What are your thoughts on the information that I have already written on that same topic?

    Thanks,
     
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    I suppose that through talking to those people you've probably been able to find out the real effect the Jews were having on the German economy and culture so I'm taking what you say seriously.
    I lived in Mexico City for almost four years back in the eighties and I learned a lot from talking to Latin Americans and they told me all kinds of stuff that was the opposite of what the mainstream media were saying. Here in Madrid, where I now live, there are bookstores that have English sections and there are books by Chomsky and William Blum and others that explain the same things. The way to figure out what the truth is seems to be to talk to lots of people who were there and choose the sources that are consistent with that. I made a list of some of the sources*.

    I'm not in a position to be able to know whether the people who carried out the Russian Revolution were mostly Jews so all I can do is speculate on stuff such as that and try to see what makes the most sense. I suppose some of the people you talked to pretty much knew what the Jews were doing all around Europe in the years before WW2.


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    http://www.politicalforum.com/index.php?threads/american-imperialism.371897/
     
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    Start watching at the 18:35 time mark in part 6. It talks about Jews serving in the German army.
     
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    Thank you for the information.

    Historian Bryan Rigg wrote extensively about the approximately 150,000 Jews and mixed Jews who fought for Germany.

    Twenty five German Jews were promoted to the rank of General while others were high ranking Nazi party members.

    All of this went on with the full knowledge and approval of Hitler and the German High Command.
     
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    We've covered this at least half a dozen times. Jews were stripped of citizenship and it was illegal for them to hold any public office, including serving in the military. I've cited the laws. The "Jews" you are talking about were mischling, whose blood was "diluted" enough so that they were not legally considered Jews by the Nazis.
     
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    Most of the Holocaust deniers I've spoken to on the forum are now on ignore, but some remain, and there may be others who find value in these videos. Hell, there may even be two or three people on the forums who are honest about being "agnostic" on the subject. Anyway, here are a few videos tackling some of the most common neo-Nazi, Holocaust denial lies. I've brought up some of these challenges before and NO denialist has ever been able to actually confront them.

    I recently put in my 2-weeks notice to look for a new job and will have some more time on my hands, so I may start a thread specifically about these topics and take people off of ignore to discuss them.

    I'm going to start with the so-called Leuchter Report. For those of you who have had the fortune to have not been exposed to this vomit so far, I apologize for being the one to introduce you to it. The Leuchter Report was written by Fred Leuchter when he was commissioned by a Holocaust denier to defend him in court and claim there were no gas chambers, and it remains one of the most popular sources appealed to by incapable-of-homework denialists.

    Leuchter had worked with gas chambers and other execution methods here in the US and leveraged this to lie about being an expert on the subject. He styled himself as an engineer, but had to confess in court that he wasn't one. He also based most of his arguments on chemistry while having no background in chemistry, relying on false assumptions, and even being contradicted by his chemist (and fellow denialist) colleague.

    Here's the summary: Leuchter travelled to Auschwitz and illegally stole samples of brick from the gas chambers for testing for traces of HCN. He then smuggled those samples out of the country. He made dozens of very basic mistakes when doing so. Here are a few:

    1) The HCN would only exist on the very surface of the bricks, rather than penetrating into the brick. But he took huge chunks of brick that were ground up for testing, severally watering down all of his samples. Hell, he even took samples from areas that weren't even purported to have been gas chambers.

    2) He assumed that the HCN levels would be similar to those found in delousing chambers, which is monumentally stupid for dozens of reasons by itself. For one, it takes much higher concentrations of HCN to kill lice than it does to kill humans, due to humans being warm blooded. He admitted in court that he didn't know this. There would also be higher HCN residue in delousing chambers because the gas was left in there for much longer. Less than half an hour for humans, up to 20 hours for lice. Humans also tend to void themselves when they die, meaning the rooms were cleaned between gassings. And the samples he had taken had been exposed to the elements for decades, making it even more unlike to find traces.

    3) He didn't even tell the lab he sent the samples to what he was looking or . . . which makes no ******n sense for experimentation purposes.

    4) THEY STILL FOUND TRACES OF HCN. Leuchter admits this in his report. He excuses this as being from fumigation. Again, he found the thing that he said shouldn't be there and then had to make up excuses, and all of his excuses about how the concentrations should be higher are based on false assumptions.

    5) Subsequent forensic investigation confirmed that, yes, there was HCN residue on the walls.

    The denialists ironically shoot themselves in the foot at this point (and this has happened in my debates on the forums, by saying these were just delousing chambers . . . which . . . again . . . would mean we should find MUCH MORE HCN ON THE WALLS WHEN THEY CLAIMED THERE WAS NONE AT ALL. The fact that he HCN levels were so low is actually MORE evidence that the chambers were used to kill humans.

    We also have blueprints for door that could only be opened from the outside, had peepholes, and had metal caging protecting the peephole on the inside. The only explanations for this would be that it was either used to kill humans or it was used to kill human-sized, warm-blooded lice that were capable of opening doors and scratching at peepholes.

    Anyway, for a deeper dive from an actual chemist on the subject, I encourage you to watch the following series:



    And since it has come up several times before, I also want to talk about the swimming pool lie. The lie goes something like this: there was a swimming pool at Auschwitz, and death camps shouldn't have swimming pools, therefore Auschwitz wasn't a death camp. This is the equivalent of saying that Rickers Island has a parking lot, so it can't be a prison, because why would prisoners have a parking lot. Yes, it really is that dumb. In reality, there were multiple camps at Auschwitz, only one of which was a death camp: Birkenau. Was there a swimming pool at Birkenau? No. The swimming pool was at the camp where the guards lived with some privileged German prisoners. Bonus: this also gets into "but Auschwitz had an orchestra" lie. Yes, the guards had access to entertainment . . . and also killed orchestra members when they didn't like their music.



    Thank you for joining me in episode 3,456 of All Denials Arguments are Dumb.
     
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    I'm afraid that you're mistaken in that "full Jews" did serve in Hitler's military(1), (2) and were high ranking members. in the Nazi Party(3)

    Additionally, Slavs, Blacks, Spaniards, Frenchmen, Arabs, Asians and others(4) fought in what some historians regard as the most ethnically diverse fighting force since Hannibal.

    Finally, in spite of Hollywood's depiction of the typical German soldier as a dull witted and robotic sadist, at least some historians regard the typical German soldier to have been a better soldier than his Allied opponent (5).
    The German WW 2 Veterans I knew recalled that that they were almost always outnumbered, undersupplied and without air superiority. They also noted that at the end of the war frequently meant even more misery as 4 million German POWs were still doing slave labor in France, England and the USSR as late as 1947.

    Don't expect to read about some post war torture and atrocity because the Holocaust Industry doesn't like inconvenient facts(6) about real deranged sadists.

    Thanks,





    (1). ‘JEWISH’ SENIOR OFFICERS IN HITLER’S ARMY: ERHARD MILCH, WILHELM KEITEL, WALTHER VON BRAUCHITSCH, ERICH RAEDER, AND MAXIMILIAN VON WEICHS.

    https://rafzen.wordpress.com/2013/02/16/jewish-senior-officers-in-hitlers-army-erhard-milch-wilhelm-keitel-walther-von-brauchitsch-erich-raeder-and-maximilian-von-weichs/

    EXCERPT "Thousands of men of Jewish descent and hundreds of what the Nazis called ‘full Jews’ served in the German military with Adolf Hitler’s knowledge and approval."CONTINUED


    (2). “Hitler’s Jewish Army”
    http://counterpsyops.com/2013/02/14/...-hitlers-army/

    EXCERPT “Thousands of men of Jewish descent and hundreds of what the Nazis called ‘full Jews’ served in the German military with Adolf Hitler’s knowledge and approval.

    In approximately 20 cases, Jewish soldiers in the Nazi army were awarded(*)Germany’s highest military honor, the Knight’s Cross.

    Jews also served in the Nazi police and security forces as ghetto police(Ordnungdienst)(*)and concentration camp guards(*)(kapos).

    So what happens to the claim that Hitler sought to exterminate all Jews, when he allowed some of them to join in his struggle against Bolshevism and International finance capitalism?

    “If the Jews were permitted to serve in Hitler’s armed forces then there could not have been a Holocaust.”CONTINUED


    (3). “List of Nazis of non-Germanic descent”
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Nazis_of_non-Germanic_descent

    EXCERPT “Notably, there were several high-ranking Nazis of full and partial Jewish descent. “ CONTINUED


    (4). "Adolf Hitler’s Armed Forces: A Triumph for Diversity?"
    https://www.inconvenienthistory.com/1/3/3102

    EXCERPTS " I ask those historians who still believe that Hitler and the Nazis were “white supremacists”: how do you account for the incredible degree of non-German and ethnic minority (i.e., 150,000 Jews and Jewish Mischlinge) collaboration during World War II? Again, some two million non-Germans helped the Nazis.

    The important thing to realize is that had the Nazis been as racist as most historians have argued, then they could not possibly have garnered the immeasurable level of support that they did. Even after Stalingrad; Spaniards, Slavs, Franks, and tens of- thousands of other non-Germans continued to fight for the Nazis on a volunteer basis.

    Frenchmen and Arab volunteers gave their lives in the final fight for the capital of Berlin in 1945. Hitler continued to allow thousands of Jewish men to serve, and many did so with incredible tenacity and valor. One has to call into question whether all of these Jewish men and other non-Germans were really as opposed to the Nazi regime as they have claimed after the fact. Their tenacity and determination suggests otherwise in many cases. The Jewish soldiers Bernhard Rogge, Helmuth Wilberg, Erhard Milch, and Ernst Prager come to mind.

    The Nazis never racially segregated their troops. Blacks, Slavs, Asians, and Arabs fought shoulder-to-shoulder with Germans."CONTINUED


    (5). “Their Wehrmacht Was Better Than Our Army”
    https://www.washingtonpost.com/arch...ur-army/0b2cfe73-68f4-4bc3-a62d-7626f6382dbd/

    EXCERPT ”On a man for man basis, German ground soldiers consistently inflicted casualties at about a 50 percent higher rate than they incurred from the opposing British and American troops under all circumstances (emphasis in original). This was true when they were attacking and when they were defending, when they had a local numerical superiority and when, as was usually the case, they were outnumbered, when they had air superiority and when they did not, when they won and when they lost." CONTINUED


    (6). "BOOK ON JEWISH-RUN REVENGE' CAMPS IS PULLED"
    https://www.washingtonpost.com/arch...-pulled/17f4868b-403f-4083-897d-1edeace16e27/

    EXCERPT "A German publisher has abruptly canceled a book that investigates the Jewish role in running internment camps in Poland after World War II, saying the work otherwise could be "cause for some misunderstanding." The 6,000 copies printed will be destroyed." CONTINUED
     
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    You are falling for very, very dumb lies.

    Let's start with the first one: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Erhard_Milch

    Please read the article. Milch was a mischling.
     
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    Why are you so sure this is true? I'm not sure either way as I'm not in a position to be able to verify it.

    Here's a German chemist who agreed with Leuchter.
    http://www.politicalforum.com/index...olocaust-denial.609023/page-8#post-1074251665

    Here's some info on testing for Zyclon B residue.
    http://www.politicalforum.com/index...locaust-denial.609023/page-25#post-1074266521
    http://www.politicalforum.com/index...olocaust-denial.609023/page-8#post-1074251863

    More info on the alleged gas chambers...
    http://www.politicalforum.com/index...locaust-denial.609023/page-13#post-1074256367

    The viewers should look at both sides.
     
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    Because I read the actual Nazi laws and have quoted them.


    Feel free to cite the minute mark.

    Too bad that you won't.
     
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    Your first video analyses this video. I just want people to be able to see it.

    Judea Declares War on Germany: A Critical Look at WWII - Part 1 of 2


    Judea Declares War on Germany: A Critical Look at WWII - Part 2 of 2



    It also deals with why the Jews declared an economic war on Germany. Here's some revisionist info on that.
    http://www.politicalforum.com/index...olocaust-denial.609023/page-2#post-1074246573

    The video also deals with The German invasion of Poland. Here's his speech to the German people.

    Adolf Hitler - Why Germany Invaded Poland
    https://altcensored.com/watch?v=pe0gIdVgeow

    The revisionist version of the attack on Poland and the annexation of Austria is dealt with in this video.

    Hitler's War - What the Historians Neglect to Mention



    If any videos go off-line do searches on the titles in https://www.bing.com/ . Google is pretty useless now when it comes to alternative info.


    Please post a link.
     
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    The videos I posted cover, in detail, the lies of the "Judea Declares War on Germany" "documentary." It's complete garbage. And the "economic war" only occurred after Germany elected the Nazis . . . who were explicitly anti-Jewish. Why do you think it is bad for Jews to boycott people who hate and victimize Jews? Do you understand how dumb that is?
     
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    There's a reason why you and the denialists aren't actually willing to discuss any of these issues in detail. You only spam links and refuse to discuss any of the actual issues. You might not be a denialist yourself, but there's no such thing as an honest Holocaust denier, so please "watch everything" instead of blindly copy/pasting info from neo-Nazis and refusing to actually look at the facts.
     
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    OK, so Milch was a mischling.

    The hundreds if not thousands of full Jews who served in hitler's military were not.

    What part of the historic fact that: ‘full Jews’ served in the German military with Adolf Hitler’s knowledge and approval." is unclear?

    Historian Bryan Rigg, among others, has researched the issue from Moscow to London and no one has challenged his findings except for you.

    What makes the facts so hard to believe?

    Please try to keep an open mind and remember that the Holocaust Industry has lied to you before.

    Thanks,
     
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    Yet no source actually establishes that, whereas we HAVE established that the people who make this claim tend to mix up mischlings and Jews in order to fake their point.

    No such "historical fact" has been established, and the source has been shown to conflate mischlings with "full Jews" in order to spread this lie.

    Several others on the forum have challenged this based on the same mischling observation.

    The difference being that the people MAKING THIS SPECIFIC CLAIM are proven to lie ABOUT THIS SPECIFIC CLAIM. Please try to keep an open mind and remember that the Neo-Nazi Denialist Industry has lied to you before. Thanks. And I trust you will never copy/paste this falsehood again now that you know that you have been told a lie.
     
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