Hong Kong! Remember Tiananmen Square!

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  1. Ddyad

    Ddyad Well-Known Member

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    He was a brilliant and evil. His successes eventually convinced him that he could not lose and he started making critical errors. The invasion of Poland was an unforced error, and breaking the Hitler/Stalin Pact and invading the USSR doomed him and his regime. Many more errors after that decisive blunder.

    Too much uninterrupted success, too much power generated irrational overconfidence.
     
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    Starjet Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Human souls are living beings, not commodities, or minerals, or capital—they are not property to be owned, traded, or invested in by anyone, let alone the state. Furthermore, this so-called investing is nothing but a dishonest euphemism for robbing the productive to buy the votes of the frightened and the envious.
     
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    Sure thing. You regard the situation as if US could revenge China for the wrong (in terms of White House policy) behaviour towards the crowd summoned by Tramp in order to have just another argument for trade war. I don't consider it as a serious option. It just can't happen, so it won't. You got used that the US is the strongest on the planet. It used to be so when the countries thought that having the US as a world policeman will make them good. The situation has changed long ago. It's no longer like that. So the war with China will happen not because of some people in Hong Kong as the WWI never happened because of that austrian duke.
     
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    Starjet Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    One thing to consider, if China sends in troops to crush and smash the Hong Kong Revolution, they won’t be able to turn out the lights and slaughter in dark like the did with the Tiananmen Square Massacre—too much social media; this slaughter will be broadcast live.
     
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    I guess it will be even more popular than Game of Thrones used to. But the end of it will be too predictable. Besides, no hot scenes and sexuality... It won't last long I think. For now China will wait and the protestors will keep on with their provocations. But the trade war will continue. China won't use armors before it uses all its economic resources against the US. They still have a possibility to trade off their share of a huge US debt. This is a part of modern panic in american markets.
     
  6. Starjet

    Starjet Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Oh, you are under the delusion this is Trump orchestrated? As evidenced by his tariffs, he’s no towering intellect like Thomas Jefferson; though he certainly is Machiavellian enough. In other words, he’s more like a brutish bear than a clever fox.

    Nope, no American power play in Hong Kong, other than Xi Jinping trying to squelch the voices of dissidents before the UK agreement runs out in 2047. Nope, the protesters are merely independent voices demanding the right to speak freely.

    Oh, yeah. BTW, the slaughter, if if happens, will vibrate through history through all of eternity. It will not go ”quietly into the night”.
     
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    Yazverg Well-Known Member

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    Whatever. Starting a mass disorder as an argument in negotiations doesn't require any wit.

    They have this right already. But the protests continue. There is no other reason but the trade war between the US and China for these protests. It's enough for me to see the reaction of american media and regular hysteria at information resources consumed by protesting people of this age... If China agrees with Tramp - these protests will fade. And even if Xi naturally eats all the protesters - noone will really care.

    You overestimate these things for the people. If it was so we would have had lots of talks about Africa and Yemen everyday. But who cares... If one guy will be seriously injured in Hong Kong - it will be all over the news. But if 100 people get killed today in Yemeni - noone will ever know. This is color revolution. Propaganda is an essential part of it.

    Free speech... :))) :))))))))))))) It was a nice joke.
     
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    s002wjh Well-Known Member

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    true, there are over 50,000 civilians dead in yemen, where is the front page news on that, where is the outrages, yet we are selling more weapons to Saudi to bomb them.
     
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    the protest have free speech, otherwise there wont be any protest. HK law is same as before when brit was in control, no more , no less.
     
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    Starjet Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    That's the rub, right? The extradition law will be used to silence dissent. The Chinese CP secret police are as notorious as the KGB and the Gestapo for making anti-socialism dissidents disappear.
     
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    Starjet Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I haven't forgotten Rwanda, Zimbabwe, Pol Pot’s Killing Fields, and many others. Nor have I forgotten the Tiananmen Square Massacre. The masses memories are short, but the individualist always remembers, as well as History.

    See, it's not ever forgotten.
    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_massacres_in_South_Africa
     
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    did you even read the detail of the extradition law?? furthermore the extradition law is dead. I have no issue for ppl doing peaceful protest, but when they start blocking train station, airport, smash government & private properties, then it become riot. the fact they still doing protest it just verify they have the political freedom to do so.
     
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    Starjet Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Not dead, hiding, like a deadly viper, ready to strike when the moment is right. It is obvious that the revolutionaries want autonomy from China, and to keep Hong Kong as a self-governing city-state dedicated to making money, not corpses.
     
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    None of that relates to anything I have posted on this thread.
     
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    I think Evil is subjective. We are all capable of it. Perhaps he was brilliant in certain ways but I think he showed signs of his mental weakness and pathology going all the way back to the Mein Kampf days.

    He certainly made many military blunders the most egregious of which was attacking Russia when all of North Africa lay open to him if he had properly equipped Romell.

    It is also quite clear that he built a death machine that could have taken over the world - if only he had gotten himself out of that machines way.

    I guess you could call building that machine an act of brilliance as you say but his blunders doomed that machine and the Reich he thought would last 1000 years from the beginning.
     
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    Starjet Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Hitler arose because of the ideas the intellectuals were preaching; he failed by putting them in practice. Those ideas? Self-Sacrifice. Determinism. Self-Abdication. Emotionalism. Sound familiar? They are same poison the intellectuals are selling today.


    Dr. Leonard Peikoff: "We are drifting to the future, not moving purposefully," Peikoff warns. "But we are drifting as Germany moved, in the same direction, for the same kind of reason."
    "
    Some of the "ominous parallels" between pre-Hitler Germany and the United States that Peikoff identifies are:
    • Liberals who demand public control over the use and disposal of private property — social security, more taxes, more government control over the energy industry, medicine, broadcasting, etc.
    • Conservatives who demand government control over our intellectual and moral life — prayer in the schools, literary censorship, government intervention in the teaching of biology, the anti-abortion movement, etc.
    • Political parties devoid of principles or direction and moved at random by pressure groups, each demanding still more controls.
    • A "progressive," anti-intellectual educational system that, from kindergarten to graduate school, creates students who can't read or write — students brainwashed into the feeling that their minds are helpless and they must adapt to "society," that there is no absolute truth and that morality is whatever society says it is.
    • A student radical movement (from the 1960's through the violent anti-nukers and ecology fanatics of today) who are, Peikoff maintains, the "pre-Hitler youth movement resurrected." The radicals are nature worshippers who attack the middle class, science, technology, and business.
    • The rise of defiant old-world racial hatreds disguised as "ethnic-identity" movements and "affirmative action."
    • A pervasive atmosphere of decadence, moral bankruptcy, and nihilist art accompanied by the rise of escapist mystic cults of every kind — astrology, "alternative medicine," Orientalists, extrasensory perception, etc.
    • http://www.peikoff.com/lr/home.htm
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    The fight between Germany and the West was a fight for the right to think for one's own self; the same fight the Revolutionaries in Hong Kong are fighting for.

    Where are the defenders of liberty? Busy kissing Trumps arse? Well, at least one isn't.

    Yaron & Amy Show: Hong Kong Demonstrations--Can a Great America Ignore
     
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    whatever float your boat. its pretty much dead, beside if you read the detail, which I doubt you did, you know its right thing to do after a murder goes free.
     
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    Starjet Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Reason "floats my boat", as you put it. What floats yours? Besides which, they are demanding a self-governing city-state and damning any consideration of being a Vassal of China. Too late for Chinese promises, which, like Trump's tariffs, are nothing more than a medicine man's snake oil, promises of health delivered as poison.
     
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    self-govern? as far I know every nation consider HK as part of China. China didn't promise them anything, they just keep the same as what Brit did. if for some miracle HK become independent, its economy will crash to the floor. Not to mention HK heavily rely chinas fresh water/energy, but also act as gateway to mainland. if California want to become independent, do you think the federal government would allow it!!
    I support peaceful protest, not protestor who block airport and paramedic, do you support that? do you also support murder goes free too?
     
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    Starjet Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Hell, capitalists will trade with anybody, we just don't want to have to kiss the ass of tyranny to get permission to do so. If all China wants is Hong Kong's wealth, why the need to rule its mouth?

    However, in this case, I advise anyone who can do so, to leave. China's CPC wants obedience, not free minds. And will murder to get it.
     
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    Evil genius, but human. Hitler also survived an incredible number of assassination attempts, which according to some sources eventually convinced him that he was favored by fate. For instance:

    "Ewald von Kleist-Schmenzen, one of the leaders of the conservative resistance to Hitler ...advised his son Heinrich to make the suicide-bomb attempt on Hitler. ... Heinrich ... volunteered to kill Hitler by carrying armed bombs in his own great coat pockets and at the critical moment grasping the Fuhrer in a deadly embrace..." Gill, photo captions p. 168-169.

    Heinrich was severely wounded before he could carry out this plan.

    p. 234 Other Resistance members volunteered for similar efforts to assassinate Hitler.

    "Like Gersdorff, Bussche would be equipped with a bomb and he would embark on a similar suicide mission [during a demonstration of new winter uniforms]. ...He held himself in readiness from late November, and then there followed a month of agonizing tension for him. Time and again the date for the showing of the new uniforms was fixed, and time and again Hitler cancelled it. ...Brussche was obliged to rejoin his unit. When a fresh opportunity occurred for Brussche to kill Hitler, Stauffenberg telephoned his commander and asked that he be released to come to Berlin to conduct the demonstration ... Days later Brussche was so severely wounded that he lost a leg. His chance was gone." Gill p 234.
    Anton Gill, "An Honourable Defeat," "A History of German Resistance to Hitler, 1933-1945," Henry Holt and Company NY 1994,

    Over confidence amplifies human weaknesses. TG
     
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    Starjet Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    A sin that would be best to stop, but not an excuse for more slaughter in Hong Kong.
     
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    More slaughter? There hasn't been ANY slaughter in Hong Kong.
     
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    I actually agree that there are ominous parallels between America today and Germany in the 30's but for very different reasons than you do.

    I am actually pouring through some very fascinating and disturbing investigative pieces so I don't have time to indulge your sci fi fantasies or cultish worship of the uberman (60's anti-nukers are equivalent to Hitler Youth! :roflol::roflol::roflol:

    Try reading something really dangerous and disturbing:

    https://therealnews.com/stories/eps...part-of-an-intricate-network-of-sex-and-power

    Here are your depraved supermen who are free to do anything they want running amuk. Any comment on this?
     
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    the so called pro-democratic protester block women from reaching their baby ;) sacrificing others freedom by pushing their own agenda. some from UK and US.




     
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