Horse Slaughter

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  1. Anders Hoveland

    Anders Hoveland Banned

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    The Montana state legislature endorsed a bill Tuesday that would allow the construction of a horse slaughterhouse. It would be the only such plant in the country—the last three, two in Texas, one in Illinois, were shut down in 2007.

    How do horse slaughterhouses work? A lot like cow slaughterhouses. Horses arrive on trucks and trailers, usually after being purchased at one of the many horse auctions across the country. They proceed down a ramp, into a feeding pen, and finally through a chute that leads to a small, brightly lit room. That’s where an employee holds a pressurized gun called a “captive bolt pistol” up to the horse’s forehead and shoots a 4-inch piece of metal about the size of a roll of quarters into its brain. Workers sometimes need to shoot three or four times before the horse stops moving. The horse is then dumped out a side door and strung up by its feet, at which point workers slit its throat and drain the blood. The body is then cut up and sent off to a meat company, usually in France or Belgium, where horse meat is a delicacy.

    http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/explainer/2009/02/they_shoot_horses_dont_they.html

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LiJ0KtPrMrQ
     
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    This is awful. It reminds me of the holocaust. Ought to be illegal. Let the French and Belgians get their own horses, if they have to be that barbaric. They shouldn't do this to cattle, pigs, or chickens, either. Meat is murder.
     
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    Murder means the unjustified killing of humans. Unless you're eating human meat, meat is not murder.

    I heard a story on NPR that many horses are starving to death in pastures, because the owners can't afford to take care of them, but also can't afford to kill them and dispose of them due to people with this idea that horses are somehow sacred. I say export the meat to the Europeans. It will help the trade deficit and help out some ranchers.
     
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    IN YOUR OPINION, meat is not murder. IMO, it is.

    If horses are starving because the owners can't afford to feed them, they ought to get some financial assistance from the government to provide for those horses. It's obvious that I have a much higher regard for animals than you do. I also think that national health insurance should include pets (at least cats, dogs, birds, and horses), and I don't give a rat's ass what anybody thinks about that (including the multi-millionaires so opposed to their taxes going up).

    PS - I don't agree with your signature either.
     
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    In the opinion of the English language, meat is not murder. I grant that meat is killing (but then again consuming anything even plants involves killing or scavenging or theft).

    You have a false regard for animals. Animals are not people. I hope for consistency's sake that you are a strict vegan, and don't have any pets (i.e. animal slaves). I am an omnivore, and don't have these silly views that animals have rights. They don't. Humans do have responsibility for animals in their care, but I think euthanasia is an acceptable solution for pets when they are too sick.
     
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    There is nothing silly about caring for animals. I am a strict vegan and there is nothing wrong with having companion aniimals especially a if they are rescued from a shelter.

    My regard for animals is not false. Its the insitance of meat eaters like yo that privilege humans with no justification at all that is wrong.

    The only thing I agree with is euthanasia but people should also have access to it. Why should they suffer.
     
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    To say that it is a "silly view" that animals have rights is not only ludicrous, it is also amazing that anyone could make such a statement. Of course animals have rights. They have rights both in a moral and a legal sense. You go out and harm an animal and, from your jail cell, you can then read up on it. Here's something for starters >>

    http://www.leg.state.fl.us/statutes...imal&URL=0800-0899/0828/Sections/0828.12.html
     
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    I love horse meat and people are looking at this the wrong way, cows have secure their survival by becoming our food and expand their presence all over the land in expense of tigers and lions.
     
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    We are looking at it the right way. Cows have not secured their survival. They have secured death and in your country with your lax law enforcement a terrifying painful death
     
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    The purpose of all living organisms is to ensure the survival of their species ,becoming an important species in the food chain just secures that.
    Greece is 80% mountains, there are very few and in many places no cows.
     
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    It's off the the glue factory with you, Boxer.
     
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    So human slavery is OK as long as the owner of the slaves ensures that the slaves breed.
     
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    If the owner is a non human you mean? let's say something like an alien overlord!
    Yeah if the choice was between extinction and becoming his food the second is a far better choice .
     
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    No humans owning other humans- as long as they breed what is the issue?
     
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    Ì dont think meat is murder or any of that, however I also strongly disagree with practices that cause pain or distress to the animal. If the slaughterhouse does not ensure painless death for the animals then they ought to be charged with animal abuse. And it is high time that we take a good look at the abuses in meat industry, IMHO.
     
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    Humans owning other humans is not beneficial for the species , not sure what you are trying to prove
     
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    Why not?

    You seem to think that breeding as much as possible is what the species needs .
     
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    You got it wrong it is not breeding but having an important role in the food chain , cows realistically would never survive in the wild when competing against buffaloes or antelopes so they became an important part of the dominant species 's food chain.
    Horses are originally an American species but they were hunted to extinction there , they only managed to survive because they became valuable to us .

    Breeding over a threshold is a bad thing for several reasons, you may wanna check out the history of the Easter island.
     
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    We don't have buffalo or antelope in the UK but we do have wild cattle that survives in the wild in Northumberland. Any in any case why is species survival important if it just means animals suffering. cattle don;t care if their species thrives.

    They are not originally from America. They developed all over eurasia and the americas
     
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    I think extinction is preferable to suffering. It may not hold true for humanity because we strive to better our living conditions and have the potential to live well and minimise suffering. But if the destiny of humanity was to live as a food source for some alien overlords, then certainly extinction is preferable to that.
     
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    Do you know how many innocent creatures are killed everytime two hands clap together?

    MILLIONS!!

    [​IMG] <(Why? WHY?!?!)

    Are you a clapper?

    DON'T. BE. A. CLAPPER.





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    Modern horses didn't live in North America until introduced by the Spanish. Not sure where you get your natural history from, but it's wrong. Wild horses live in North America now, but they are an invasive species, and harm the natural environment, like most invaders.
     
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    Horses are originate from America , those who crossed Bering survived and became the modern ones, those who stayed in America were hunted to extinction .
    Yes horses were re-introduced to the continent by Spaniards
     
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    Actually, the latest theory is that the Ice Age wiped out the horses, not the evil hunters.

    Regardless, in the 12,000 years between the last horse in America and the Spaniards, the environment changed. WIld horses do not belong in North America. IMHO, they should all be wiped out. They wreak havok on the environment out West.
     
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    I know there were horses before the spainish that dies out but I have seen no evidence that they originated in the Americas. Please link.
     

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