Hospitals Tell Doctors They’ll Be Fired If They Speak Out About Lack of Gear

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  1. Jkca1

    Jkca1 Active Member

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    So it's come to this? You ask people to put health workers lives on the line and if they complain they get fired? Here is the sad story;

    "Hospitals are threatening to fire health-care workers who publicize their working conditions during the coronavirus pandemic -- and have in some cases followed through.

    Ming Lin, an emergency room physician in Washington state, said he was told Friday he was out of a job because he’d given an interview to a newspaper about a Facebook post detailing what he believed to be inadequate protective equipment and testing. In Chicago, a nurse was fired after emailing colleagues that she wanted to wear a more protective mask while on duty. In New York, the NYU Langone Health system has warned employees they could be terminated if they talk to the media without authorization.

    “Hospitals are muzzling nurses and other health-care workers in an attempt to preserve their image,” said Ruth Schubert, a spokeswoman for the Washington State Nurses Association. “It is outrageous.”

    https://www.advisorperspectives.com...be-fired-if-they-speak-out-about-lack-of-gear
     
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    Then they tell us there's a shortage of doctors and nurses??????
     
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    Doofenshmirtz Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    While the thought of muzzled nurses seems unacceptable to some, its not their job to be spokespeople. PR people shouldn't be touching patients and nurses shouldn't be doing PR. I have tremendous respect for those who put themselves at risk to help others, but their concerns need to go to those in charge.
     
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    Lets worsten the staff shortage if they mention the resource shortage. What could go wrong?
     
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    Maybe there is too much capitalism in the US for its own good.(I see capitalism as a system of monetary policy, not so much a political system or economic system. But precisely because it is a form of monetary policy, we see its limitation in humanitarian situations.)
     
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    At this point I think everyone knows that all the medical professionals don't have the supplies they need. I think the nurses and doctors are getting tired of being promised and getting empty hands. They are risking their lives and their families and we can't supply them the basic necessities to try to keep them from getting the virus. They are working 16 hours taking care of our other hero's downed by the virus trying to help us (EMS and Police). Then have to listen to idiots running around (and on this board) saying people are over reacting.
     
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    Wouldn't most people be fire if they went and publicly spoke about deficiencies in a company without permission?
     
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    This is what happens when capitalists run hospitals.

    Don't get me wrong. I believe in capitalism. But it has limits. I was working in medicine when hospitals went from being about medical care, to being about profit. I remember when people were being turned away at the ER if they didn't have insurance. I remember that if left to the money managers, we would leave people to bleed to death in the streets.

    My ex [who was in medicine her entire life, as was her mother as a nurse] watched the quality of health care plummet while grand pianos were purchased for hospital lobbies - to impress investors.

    And what do we have for all of this profit - the most expensive health care in the first world which now threatens workers who put their lives in jeopardy.
     
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    The hospital admin is in charge
     
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    squidward Well-Known Member

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    So now you're calling for government run hospitals not just single payer?
     
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    Single payer is government run. Anyway, that a pretty far assumption from what he posted.
     
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    Single payer is a payer, not a hospital
     
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    Single payer is a tax that the government takes to run the hospital.
     
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    Canada is single payer but most of its hospitals are actually private. Most developed countries have a lot of public hospitals, but they also have a lot of private hospitals too. The Medicare for All bill proposed by Bernie doesn't actually call for a government takeover of the hospitals.
     
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    I just looked it up and that's a bit misleading. The private sector covers things outside of coverage or only partially covered.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Healthcare_in_Canada
     
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    The government might give some funding to hospitals, kind of like how it does to public universities, but this is optional. Usually, the government will only act as the insurance company and pay the bills the private hospitals charge. We would also decide on how flexible we will be with private hospitals when negotiating prices. Its a trade-off between more private provider coverage and lower cost.
     
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    You better get informed.
    Medicare does not run hospitals, it reimburses. And nobody is proposing that the government will be running them, maintaining them, buying the equipment, supplies and medications or employing anybody
     
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    But the government can, and does in single paying systems. Single payer is government run. They collect the taxes and make the rules who gets paid.
     
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    do you understand the word "payer" ?
     
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    Do you understand it's tax, that the government takes?
     
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    Skepticism of this claim may be in order.

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    What's that got to do with operating hospitals?
    It is a payer, it reimburses hospitals, it does not run hospitals
     
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    If staff complains they open the hospital up to future lawsuits. People like the sleazy porn lawyer would be lining up to sue the hospitals for malpractice. Then there would be one less hospital for the next Chinese gift...
     

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