Hot Take: Nazis were not evil for their time.

I never claimed to be a Christian

 

Every woman selects what she believes to be the best man to father her children.

What the Nazis practiced though, what I call "Coercive" eugenics, that is to say murdering anyone who isn't perfect, is pretty much a horribly bad thing.

 

Um... except he isn't wrong. From Hitler's perspective, and his promotion of the aryan race, they genuinely believed that they were creating a better society. This is well documented. Obviously faulty logic by todays standards, but I am sure your claim of BS can be backed up and sourced?

 

Back peddle fast Ronstar!

 

It is possible Hitler believed that but saying "they" believed that is a serious stretch.

 

Yeah, science whatever. Putting people in ovens was not evil in 1942? 1842? 1742? 1642?

I've been to Auschwitz and Dachau. It was horrifying. Arbeit macht frei my ass.

 

So you think all of the people actually putting people into gas chambers, the rest of the Nazis, and their supporters DIDN'T align with that viewpoint?

 

Yes. I think they were following orders. Failure to follow orders could get them shot.

 

It was my understanding that @Ronstar is Jewish. If that is the case, "the Bible," for him, I'd only the OLD TESTAMENT. I am guessing that you understand this would not include any of Paul's, New Testament Letters.

While we are here, I will note that whenever I hear a Christian using the Bible to back up some sketchy claims, it has seemed that it is almost predictable that one of Paul's letters, will be the source they supply. Though (full disclosure) I'm no longer a Christian, I used to be a devout Catholic, and still have a decent knowledge of the Bible. I would suggest that, for a Christian, a follower of Christ, the words attributed straight to Jesus, should far outweigh anything else, and in themselves, could be the basis, and instigating teaching, for one's religion. I phrase it that way, because I think Christ's teaching implies that a person must take some responsibility upon themself, for understanding how to best live, acquired through their own efforts and life experience. Think about Jesus's parable about the Talents, given to the 3 slaves, by the master who leaves them to their own devices during a significant absence of his. And yes, these are slaves, mentioned in a parable of Jesus, meant to demonstrate an idea, shed light upon a teaching. It s not an instruction for anyone to go out & get slaves. In Christ's analogy, it is we who are the slaves, & God, the Father, who is our Master.

Paul, BTW, never knew Jesus. His original name was Saul, from Tarsus, and he was initially a hunter of Christians. But you listen to whoever's words you wish to elevate.

 

If you don’t give weight to what is said by Christian disciples, including Paul, why would you think you know what Jesus said? Jesus never wrote anything, other than scrolling something in the dirt. Everything you believe Jesus said was written down by the Gospel writers, everything you “know” you only know through the voices of His followers.

 

Duplicate

 

If what they did was so normal for the time, then why did they try to hide the Holocaust and why was the rest of the world clearly horrified upon its discovery?

 

Even he would not be a Nazi.. Nazis literally worshipped what we would call evil and, yes, they were consciously evil, they TRIED to be.

Do you remember the scene from "Schindler's List" (I think, I've never seen that whole movie but just this one scene and I'm not quite sure of what movie it's from) where the one Nazi is overlooking the Jews in the camp and he just casually kills this one woman for what seems to be just the purpose of checking the functioning of his rifle? THAT sort of thing, that was a feature, a characteristic, that they valued rather highly and cultivated in themselves. The Nazis called it "toughness" but anyone else would call it EVIL.

This is why I think most people call Nazi worse than Communism, even though Communists killed a good many more people. Communism at least gives lip service to our idea of trying to do good, Nazis were evil through and through.

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IMO it comes from ignorance on what happened in Russia / USSR during the 20th century. It's not taught with the same frequency and scope of nazis.

 

OTOH I can almost see his point

There is a concept in historiography called "the March of History"and it proposes that History has a moral dimension to its ongoing changes and the Nazis are often used as an example. Before the Holocaust racism and racial theories, particularly those with an underlying current of anti-Semitism, were often given the status of an actual "scientific" paradigm. After the horror of the holocaust such theories are dismissed out of hand being seen as the excuses for pure evil that they are.

Is this what is being expressed here?

 

This is what desperation looks like. I find this entire discussion absurd.

 

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I disagree. In the 1950's and 60's especially the history of the Soviet Union was taught quite as thoroughly as was Naziism, at least that is my experience.

 

Nothing for me during school, especially about the Russian genocide

 

Most apropos - in 1945 and today:

 

Lmao, keep denying moral relativism. Did you even study ethics?

history is written by the victor.

 

Hopefully, not Trump on January 20, 2025.

 

I did quite well in my ethics classes in college. What you are describing is really more moral subjectivism (at most) than moral relativism. And I'm not a moral subjectivist. You may describe yourself as one, and there are lot of people who do in theory, but it always crumbles in practice.

As far as the "written by the victor" excuse goes, that still doesn't explain why Nazis HID what they were doing. If it was "normal," why wasn't every country doing it, and why did they go to such great lengths to hide it? Why, in their own records, did they resort to euphemisms?

 

They lost so they were exposed. USA could of had its own genocide hidden. Hell there are fema camps currently so the rumor is they are attempting to genocide trump supporters

 

During Jade Helm II?

 

Ummm, OK? I think I'll back away from the thread at this point so I don't get banned.