Housing prices in the North!

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  1. Nightmare515

    Nightmare515 Ragin' Cajun Staff Member Past Donor

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    lol yes those clawfoot tubs are what Im talking about. Ive never seen those things in real life before only in old western movies. I didnt know people still had them in the house...

    I am the complete opposite of you. I would rather live in the south with the sweltering heat and humidity bound to an AC over freezing my ass off up here and stuck inside the house because I hate the cold so much that I likely won't be going anywhere unless I have to work. When winter hit while I was stationed in Colorado I rarely left my house except to work or buy groceries. And this place is 10x worse than there...

    Im just not used to paying so much for rent. I have never paid more than $800 for rent for a house. When I got here and saw how high the rent was for these old houses I was shocked. $1400 for a 3 bedroom 2 bath house in the South would get you a house on the gulf of mexico. $1400 for rent up here barely gets you a house thats livable.
     
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    that's the freemarket economy...supply and demand, prices and wages are all tied together....it's no different where I live, high wages drive up land value because people want those high paying jobs, high land value drive up home ownership costs and rent
    ...a 3 bedroom home here will rent from $650 to $3800, and you dont want to be the 650 home or neighborhood , then add on the utility bills and gas at $5 pergal...
     
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    good old claw foots are valuable, they're usually deeper more comfortable than newer tubs and the cast iron holds the heat better than contemporary fiberglass tubs....I dont understand the hangups people have with tubs as probably 99% of the population showers...
     
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    Nightmare515 Ragin' Cajun Staff Member Past Donor

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    The problem here is that is is seriously hurting the locals which is why they are upset and rightfully so. This is a small blue collar town, the military are the only ones who can really afford to rent houses around here. Before the military base expanded the housing prices were within the budget of the locals who live here. But once the base expanded and more Soldiers arrived with our military housing allowances the landlords jacked the rent prices up so that the military would spend more money to rent. That put a huge gap between the military and the locals because now the locals who have lived here for decades are forced to pick through the scraps of what the military leaves behind because they can't afford those high rent prices.

    I feel bad for the locals and completely understand their animosity towards the Army base. It's unfair to the locals that they must suffer because the military showed up in droves with our bigger paychecks and took all of their homes from them.
     
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    typical however, a large new employer moves in and wages and land values go up...the smarter locals take advantage of the opportunity and others on fixed or low incomes miss out and fall further behind...
     
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    Nightmare515 Ragin' Cajun Staff Member Past Donor

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    Yeah the difference between large employers moving in and the military moving in is that the locals can go and work for the large employer. They can't just up and join the Army and come back to live in the same town. Thats why they are getting hit the hardest by all of this.
     
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    Nightmare515 Ragin' Cajun Staff Member Past Donor

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    Another question for those of you who have basements in your homes. I've never lived in a home with a basement so this is all very new to me. I've found a place with a clean "dry?" basement. I would like to use the basement as my office seeing how the house only has 2 rooms. All of the houses that ive seen with basements have dehumidifiers in them I guess to keep the moisture out since they are under ground? Would my electronics be safe down there since the air is so moist or would my computer short circuit or something?
     
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    I don't think a basement will any more humid than Florida, does humidity short circut computers there?...the problem with basements and humidity is poor criculation, mold....I keep my main computer in my basement, but my home was built in 1984, vapour barriers, heated, dehumidifier. ..
     
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    Nightmare515 Ragin' Cajun Staff Member Past Donor

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    Thank You I just wanted to be sure. I have a $1000+ super nerd computer that I built and I would be extremely upset if it broke by me leaving it in the basement.

    This particular home was built in the 30s or 40s I believe. I'll be sure to keep that dehumidifier running all the time just to be sure.
     
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    I'm a renovator/contractor so feel free to ask if you have any building questions...basements in northern climates are needed to keep homes warm, not an issue in southern climates, basements also add considerable extra cost to a home...
     
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    LOL I guess to each his own. I look forward to winter. Snow shoeing, hiking, snowmobiles, no cutting the grass......etc., On those clawfoot tubs, DO NOT throw them out if you can get one! As they don't make them anymore of the same quality (thickness of the metal) people will pay you top dollar for any shape tub, they refinish them and make them like new and then sell them for a good penny. A guy on cape cod has a business refinishing them. If you take a bath in a home depot special the water gets cold in a couple minutes, in a clawfoot, you'll stay toasty until you decide to get out. That's why a lot of people remodeling high end homes pay top dollar for a refinished clawfoot.
     
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    Hmm I never knew they were that valuable. Unfortunately for me I'll be renting a house and I can't sell the landlords ugly bathtub for a huge wad of cash lol ;)
     
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    If it helps, sometimes on the weekends I see those shows where people are shown some homes and they pick on of the three. Some of them are really nice houses and they say the price and its always like a 120k and Im like WTF. Up here you have to pay 4 times that for the exact same thing. Its just the cost of everything up here. If you go further north like upper maine, they start to go drastically low again. I moved closer to Boston out of a house I owned into another one of equal size for an extra 150K. For me its worth it, due to traffic it went from a 1.5hr commute down to 12 minutes. I pay much higher taxes but Ill get my money back when I sell it. Supply and demand I guess. Houses in my town sell in a few days whereas in my last town 30 minutes further south it took me over a year.
     
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    Yeah like I said most of my complaining is simply due to me not being used to all of this. In the South everything is cheaper. Rent, gas, cigarettes, beer, etc. So Im used to paying $700-800 for a nice 3 bedroom house. I get up here and Im seeing 3 bedroom homes for $1400+ dollars. That shocked me. Cigarettes are like 8 bucks a pack, that shocked me. People told me I'd be paying $300+ a month to heat my house, that shocked me. Taxes are higher on purchases, that shocked me. I saw a funny looking bathtub in the bathroom, that shocked me. I couldn't bring my plethora of guns, that pissed me off lol

    And people talk funny up here. "Ole, yer from the south eh? It gets purty culd up here don't ya know? LOL
     
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    I actually hit my limit today. I needed some screws to hang cabinets and they were a 1.59 each. I needed 20 of them. I was pissed but sorta needed them. I got home and decided I am not paying a 1.59 for a single screw. I am returning them tomorrow. Ill buy them online for cheaper and simply wait.
     
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    The reason rent is high in California and New York is because people want to live in those places. I'd bet you could get a 4-bedroom ranch with a yard and pool in Biloxi for $600 a month. Who has Mississippi been controlled by?
     
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    A solution to the costs of cigarettes is of course to quit. Most military bases are moving towards tobacco free zones as it is. You will go through a rough week or two of physical withdrawals, and later a psychological withdrawal, from nicotine but do consider quitting as an option.

    It is not an easy habit to break, I became addicted to cigars...basically just another source of nicotine..and I went through hell for a week or two giving them up. There's also chew, which I noticed many in the military have that habit....I know of a young officer who died of mouth cancer at 35 y/o from taking up the habit while in the Army. The cancer metastasized and spread to his lymph nodes. He was dead within a year of the initial diagnosis.

    Not to hijack the thread, but do give serious consideration to quitting the nicotine habit..not only for money reasons but the long term health benefit. You may consider smokes like an old friend, a way to take the edge off of a stressful moment, a way to deal with boredom...but it's a vile weed in the final analysis...change your mindset to look upon it as your enemy, not your friend. Forget nicotine patches and smokeless options....the way to quit the habit is cold turkey...and accept the fact you will always have an addiction to nicotine. It'll be hell for a week or so, but millions have quit the habit; you can too!
     
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    Unfortunately the cost of living in different places is going to really hurt you because I'm sure your pay stays consistent. You have to make over $80,000 in New York to have the same lifestyle $40,000 a year would bring you in Oklahoma.

    The Military should adjust for cost of living.
     
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    The BAH or basic allowance for housing given to service members who qualify, does indeed factor in the variations in regional cost of housing/rent.
     
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    I'm willing to bet they don't offer enough if you can't find something comparable to what you are used to in other regions.
     
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    BAH Calculator = http://www.defensetravel.dod.mil/site/bahCalc.cfm

    Upstate NY zipcode = 13602
    Nightmare's pay grade = W-3 (educated guess, he mentioned he was a Chief Warrant officer)

    Military housing area: Fort Drum/Watertown, NY

    Monthly allowance for W 3 with dependents = $2,034
    W 3 without dependents = $1,602

    I've PCSd numerous times while in the service...complaining about it goes with the territory. Nightmare is just venting.

    You adapt...if smokes are 8 bucks a pack in the region...either cut back or quit...it's a start.

    At least he's CONUS, a far bigger pain in the patoot is a permanent change of duty station based OCONUS.
     
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    I've actually been weening myself off of cigarettes for months now. I bought myself one of those vapor cig things and have been using that almost exclusively now. I'll still have a cig every few days or so but I mostly stick to the vapor thing. It works great, I feel better, I can breathe better, food tastes like food and I don't have to drown it in hot sauce. The only problem is that this thing is on a battery that lasts all day so unlike a real cigarette that I can finish in about 5 mins I continuously puff that vapor cig all day long. Supposedly its just water vapor with nicotine in it so it doesn't hurt you. I hope thats true because I smoke that thing literally all day long. But it doesn't seem like its doing my body any damage because ever since I weened off real cigs I feel 10x better even though Im injecting 30x more smoke and nicotine per day from puffing the vapor cig all day long.
     
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    We do get an adjustment for our housing allowance based on where we live. We get less money in the South than we do in the North because rent is more up here. For example people stationed in Hawaii get paid way more in housing allowance than somebody stationed in Georgia. The problem is that in the South you could easily get away with spending maybe 75% of your housing allowance and getting a very nice home and being able to use that other 25% to pay for your utilities. Technically your housing allowance is supposed to be enough to cover your rent AND your utility bills. That only works in some areas. Up here you are going to spend every dime of your housing allowance on rent alone for a mediocre home and then pay the rest of the utility bills and whatnot out of your own pocket.

    And utility bills are A LOT more expensive up here than they are in the South. Especially heating costs.

    And even with my base salary as a Warrant Officer and my housing allowance I make nowhere near $80,000 a year.
     
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    You're still addicted to nicotine and nicotine is a pesticide...think about that.

    It will be hell on Earth for a week, but at some point give up nicotine all together...and give it the permanent middle finger. It's the equivalent to an opiate addiction, so I know what it is like to crave it. I finally said to myself...(*)(*)(*)(*) this and decided to face the withdrawals.
     
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    Minot AFB in North Dakota reaches temperatures approaching 40 below zero. Going outside for just a few minutes can be hazardous. I would take Upstate NY over Minot any day. I was never based there, but I was stuck there for 3 days because the cold temperatures shut down the flightline.
     

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