How Alarmed Should We Be?

Discussion in 'Political Opinions & Beliefs' started by Lee Atwater, Oct 11, 2021.

  1. Lee Atwater

    Lee Atwater Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Don couldn't bring himself to say something negative about the neo-Nazi and white nationalist groups without also criticizing the counter protesters because those in the former groups support him so strongly.
     
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    Telling the same lie where proof was given for the exact opposite of what you just said here? You should learn when to give up.
     
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    Lil Mike Well-Known Member

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    You of course have a long track record of ignoring evidence over your personal narrative, so your response is no surprise. I was however, giving the other poster the benefit of the doubt.
     
  4. Lee Atwater

    Lee Atwater Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I'm always happy to go in to the details of your allegation. But I suspect this is of the hit and run type like all the rest. I file it under "unsubstantiated."
     
  5. Lil Mike

    Lil Mike Well-Known Member

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    I actually provided evidence to prove my point in this thread, you did not.

    I'll file this under "typical."
     
  6. Lee Atwater

    Lee Atwater Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Please be so kind as to refer me to the post #.
     
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    I think the insurrectionist are all in court or already in jail so I don't know what the are still doing. And I as an independent don't measure all Reps by their fidelity to Trump and see lots of promising candidates rising up that don't necessary have a fidelity to him. And quite frankly believe that the Dems fidelity to their radical left is doing FAR more harm to them than Trump to the Reps.
     
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    He rightfully made the distinction between not neo-nazi or white nationalist protesters who were the majority when criticizing those who were racist and violent and OF COURSE the violent protestors should have been called out even more since they were doing the HUGE majority of the violent and destructive protesting.
     
  9. Lil Mike

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    Please refer to post #294
     
  10. Lee Atwater

    Lee Atwater Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Trump is still spreading the Big Lie and still demanding that anyone he endorses promote it as well.

    That’s the takeaway from the latest news out of the Senate primary in Ohio, where J.D. Vance is facing former state treasurer Josh Mandel and several other candidates. The race has featured a kind of loyalty competition, in which displays of fealty to Trump’s 2020 lies, pushed relentlessly by Mandel, have kept escalating to comic levels of groveling.
    https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2022/01/28/jd-vance-ohio-primary-trump-worship/

    Vance used to be a Trump critic. Now that he's running for office against a Trump acolyte Vance has been forced to say he believes the Big Lie in order to compete.
     
  11. Lee Atwater

    Lee Atwater Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I've seen it. It wasn't a reply to a post of mine or the subject of the thread.........for which I've provided ample evidence. Anything else?
     
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    OK but he is not one of the people who rioted at the capital, the ones you speciously call insurrectionist.

    That's up to him but don't know how much that bleeds down to the voters. But as I said the Dems have far more to fidelity to be worrying about than the Reps.
     
  13. Lil Mike

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    Then why are you barging into this discussion?

    I'll take the win right now.
     
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    Maybe so, but the difference being that the Dems fidelity is worrying for themselves whilst Repubs fidelity to Trump is worrying for the country.
     
  15. Lee Atwater

    Lee Atwater Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    How sad for you that you're so desperate to claim a win you do so when it's undeserved.
     
  16. Lee Atwater

    Lee Atwater Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    The judges met, in private, over a two-day period in May, for what might seem like a minor task: to choose the fifth member of an elections board in rural Spalding county, Georgia. Until now election boards were designed to be 5 member panels with 2 Dems and 2 Repubs who compromised on who the fifth member would be. That authority has now been given to Repubs

    But the meetings were by no means routine. There is no record of their vote or their discussions. The interviews with Democratic and Republican applicants were conducted in private, via Zoom calls. And the position was only vacant because of a new law, specific only to Spalding county, recently introduced by the area’s two Republican state lawmakers.

    In the end, the judges chose a Republican, someone who had never served in a government position related to elections, to be the fifth and deciding vote for the Spalding county board of elections and registration. Almost immediately, that Republican, James Newland, cast that deciding vote to cancel Sunday voting – a historically heavy turnout day for Black, largely Democratic voters.

    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news...from-election-board-and-cancels-sunday-voting

    It's happening in counties other than Spaulding. New laws have been passed taking away local control of election boards and putting it in the hands of Repubs.

    Georgia Republicans purge Black Democrats from county election boards
    https://www.reuters.com/world/us/ge...-democrats-county-election-boards-2021-12-09/

    Everyone with a pulse understands this is in response to GA going for Biden and then electing two Dem senators. GA Repubs are doing what they can to make sure that doesn't happen again. But that doesn't mean putting up more acceptable candidates. It means following the Trump playbook.

    Trump: "Sometimes the Vote-Counter Is More Important Than The Candidate"
    https://www.realclearpolitics.com/v...ter_is_more_important_than_the_candidate.html

    It's amazing how often he says the quiet part out loud. Just as he did when he recently admitted he wanted Pence to help him overturn the election.

    This example illustrates the insidious ways Repubs are chipping away at the foundation of democracy as well as free and fair elections.
     
  17. Lil Mike

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    You made it relatively easy by not being able to respond to the issue. So thanks, I couldn't have done it without you.
     
  18. Bluesguy

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    Trump or the Squad makes little difference.
     
  19. Lee Atwater

    Lee Atwater Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    You remind me of..........
     
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    Lee Atwater Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Civil rights groups testify Florida’s controversial voting law suppresses voter registration efforts

    TALLAHASSEE — Voting and civil rights groups argued on Monday during the first day of a highly anticipated federal trial that Florida’s controversial new voting law has had a chilling effect on efforts to register voters in the battleground state.

    The case centers a Florida law pushed by Gov. Ron DeSantis and approved by the Legislature in 2021 that imposed additional restrictions on mail-in ballots and drop boxes and outside voting registration groups. Several civil rights and voting rights groups last year filed legal challenges to the measure, claiming that the new law discriminates against minorities, people with disabilities and older voters.

    https://www.politico.com/news/2022/01/31/florida-voting-laws-elections-00003952

    While I think it's important not to let Repub's voter suppression efforts go unchallenged Dems need to start organizing in order to get people at risk of having their vote suppressed to register and vote.
     
  21. Lee Atwater

    Lee Atwater Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Officials who work for some of the groups suing the state testified Monday that the new restrictions were dissuading people from registering to vote. They were sharply critical of a new requirement that potential voters must be told by third-party groups that there’s a chance their voter registration application may not be delivered within a newly required 14-day deadline. But the groups themselves are subject to fines if they fail to meet that deadline.
     
  22. Lil Mike

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    ...but you would rather distract by putting up a video of Charlie Sheen rather than respond to #294.
     
  23. Lee Atwater

    Lee Atwater Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Already did. See post #301. I was just pointing out how similar your's and Charlie's uncalled for reactions were. You both declared yourselves to be winners cuz..........nobody else would.
     
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    #301 you didn't address that Trump never said that Nazis were "fine people." He said the opposite.
     
  25. Lee Atwater

    Lee Atwater Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Some Trump White House records handed over to January 6 committee had been ripped up

    (CNN)Some Trump White House documents that have been handed over to the House select committee investigating January 6 had to be taped back together by National Archives staff because they had been ripped up, the agency said in a statement.

    The Archives, in response to questions from CNN, said that "some of the Trump presidential records received by the National Archives and Records Administration included paper records that had been torn up by former President Trump."

    The agency did not explain how officials know former President Donald Trump himself ripped up the records, but the Archives pointed to previous reporting that White House records management staff had to tape together torn-up documents during the Trump-era.

    https://www.cnn.com/2022/01/31/politics/trump-torn-documents/index.html

    The necessary measure of protection for government documents and records is provided by 18 U.S.C. § 2071. Section 2071(a) contains a broad prohibition against destruction of government records or attempts to destroy such records. This section provides that whoever: willfully and unlawfully; conceals, removes, mutilates, obliterates or destroys; or attempts to conceal, remove, mutilate, obliterate or destroy; or carries away with intent to conceal, remove, mutilate, obliterate or destroy; any record, proceeding, map, book, paper, document or other thing deposited in any public office may be punished by imprisonment for three years, a $2, 000 fine, or both.
    https://www.justice.gov/archives/jm...rnment-property-protection-public-records-and

    Add destroying documents and trying to seize voting machines to the list of impeachable offenses Don will never be held accountable for.
     

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