How come Trump and Sons will only go on Fox News?

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  1. upside222

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    Why isn't it transparency? It's a direct statement on the mindset of Trump! It shows what he is thinking at the moment. You are confusing hatred of what his policies are with transparency. Transparency is *NOT* saying what *you* would like him to say!

    What tough questions? That implies you think Fox News can't ask tough questions. Have you actually *watched* any of his interviews on Fox? I assure you they aren't softballs.

    How did Obama avoid the tough questions? Do you somehow think Obama was at the podium every day in the briefing room? How many interviews did Obama give in his first 150 days?

    You mean he didn't give any interviews while overseas? ROFL!!!! And I already addressed my being imprecise about the interviews.

    Yet you can't show how he is being opaque! Good Grief man! He is castigated continually for being so upfront and out front with what he thinks! You simply can't get *more* transparent than Donald Trump!

    I didn't say "political vulnerability". I spoke about his *competitors", meaning REAL ESTATE COMPETITORS being able to hurt him financially. He's not in a campaign today. He has no competitors. He won't until 2020!

    Politically, his enemies (like you) just want more ammunition to use in calling him an EVIL RICH person. Kind of like all you liberals did when you found out Romney had a car elevator. Being rich doesn't mean Evil. That's just part of the rich Marxist Democrat's rhetoric of demonization that they think will lead to Trump's impeachment!


    I should specify, it was announced on June 21st that he would give another interview on Fox[/QUOTE]
     
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    It isn't transparent because it allows him to withhold any information of his choosing. It allows him to make statements and then not be challenged on the accuracy of those statements. The criticism Trump receives in regards to his twitter account pertain to the insults you throws out at people, and are definitely not related to this administration being "too transparent"

    and for the record, Trump's overseas trip was 9 days.. nowhere near the 40+ period he gave no interviews.. and again, the interview he gave at the beginning and end of this period were both on Fox News. As for the tax return thing, you can rationalize it and spin it however you want, but this isn't something that is exclusive to Trump, the public demands this of EVERY presidential candidate, and especially the president himself. Insulting people on twitter doesn't suddenly offset the lack of transparency within this administration
     
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    The lack of transparency is mind-boggling.

    Trump's muzzling of the press is unprecedented.

    Obviously, the Trump sycophants (the "he can tell me that 1+1=3 and I believe him, and he can burn my house down and I will still support him" crowd) will spin and defend anything he does.
     
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    Explain exactly how Trump has muzzled the press.
     
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    PeppermintTwist Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Why does Ivanka look like some jealous Mean Girl getting ready to set up her friend for a Revenge Rape?

    Wow.

    Hopefully, the boys will do some interviews on another network.
     
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    PeppermintTwist Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    They are one weird looking bunch. The "boys" enjoy killing animals for kicks and giggles and they can afford that kind of canned hunting so what the hell. Uday and Qusay Trump. They all look inbred and I see nothing attractive in the plastic face of the grifter daughter either.
     
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    Oh wow.

    And, I don't want to stray off topic (too much)--so, I will say that Trump's crew needs to be more forthcoming to other media outlets.

    That said, and to your point:

    Just like DADDY (if those boys didn't have money they would never get near a woman).
     
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    You *honestly* think Trump withholds *ANYTHING*? The main criticism of Trump, BY BOTH SIDES, is that he doesn't withhold anything!

    Your "50 day" criticism has already been shown to be wrong. Trump gives just as many interviews as any President has. And now you are down to 40 days? According to the list I compiled he has given an interview every single month he's been President. And it simply doesn't matter who he gave interviews to, that's just pure whining from a liberal!

    I'll ask you again, how many interviews did Obama give in his first 150 days. You didn't answer me before. Can you answer me now?

    The "public demands"? You mean the LEFT demands. I've not heard a single Republican demand his tax returns.

    It's becoming more and more clear that your agenda is that you hate Trump and are looking for something, ANYTHING, to criticize him over. It's Trump Derangement Syndrome right down to the core. Get help.
     
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    Saddam would be proud, his infamy lives on it the WH.
     
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    The usual suspects. One of them even thinks Trump is muzzling the press. It is interesting how the rabid lefties have a casual relationship with reality.
     
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    I stopped reading there and realized this thread has to be a joke.
     
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    Hardball has been on the air longer than Fox News has been a thing. Yeah, he can be considered a prominent anchor.
     
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    You mean "tingle up my leg" is a prominent news anchor? Off your meds again eh?
     
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    Well, Sean Hannity never fails to give me a laugh. He actually thinks he has credibility.

    Matthews brings on confrontation. I like confrontation. Something Fox will never do with Trump and Sons.
     
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    Who is Hannity?
     
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    You're wrong, the criticisms Trump receives in regards to his twitter has to do with childishly insulting people, it has nothing to do with being "too transparent"

    As for the my "50 day" criticism, you can go back and read my posts for yourself, I never said it was "near" 50 days, which would suggest that it was FEWER than 50 days. I said it was over 40 days, and the only reason I brought it up was in rebuttal to the claim that he had broken the record for most interviews by a president. The only reason I am still talking about it is you keep bringing it back up, first by not understanding that I would be counting forward from May 13th, and then not understanding the concept of what "near 50" actually means. All this is less important, again I only brought it up in rebuttal to an inaccurate claim. My choice of emphasis are the actual changes in the administrations level of transparency, like suppressing the white house press briefings, removing the white house guest logs from public review, and being the first president and presidential nominee in over 40 years to not release their tax returns. Republican or Democrat.. so no, not just something that the left demands, something that the public demands. For Trump specifically, it is 74% of the public who want to see his tax returns http://thehill.com/homenews/adminis...f-americans-want-trump-to-release-tax-returns

    You respond to each and every one of these changes by arguing that its transparency is unimportant, and then you argue that Trump is the most transparent president ever. It's disingenuous.. as I expressed originally, we still do have government transparency in the US government, but we are definitely moving in a direction of less transparency.
     
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    Because all those venue's you mentioned are just like the following thread !
    CNN CAUGHT ON HIDDEN CAMERA ADMITS TRUMP RUSSIA STORY FAKE
     
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    That could simply be subjective opinion, caught on a hot mic, interpreted by someone as being truth.
     
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    Your definition of transparent seems to be totally at odds with most people. To most people transparency is knowing what the President is thinking. With past Presidents we were usually one step removed and depended on a press secretary to find that out. *NOT* with Trump.

    [/quote] All this is less important, again I only brought it up in rebuttal to an inaccurate claim. My choice of emphasis are the actual changes in the administrations level of transparency, like suppressing the white house press briefings[/quote]

    Except white house press briefings are *not being suppressed. Like I said, we would hear the very same whining from the press if the camera was fixed on the podium and did not swing out to show the reporters. The "reporters" have become TV stars over the years, or at least they think they have. And they get mad when they aren't on TV. It limits their "exposure" and possible advancement.

    That's no different than the Obama admin holding their meetings away from the WH. So Trump is *not* less transparent than Obama over that. He's the same.


    You keep refusing to admit that Trump is *NOT* any past president. Other Presidents releasing their tax returns did not give competitors financial advantages they could use to hurt the Presidents financially. Trump's situation is totally different. And you refuse to recognize that.

    In addition, you have been told twice now that Trump is a PEP and his under constant scrutiny by a federal task force. The IRS has done detailed audits of him for more than a decade so it's not likely he's doing anything with tax implications. If he owns stock it should be listed on his FEC form as an asset and I can't see where any show on the form.

    Face it, it is just becoming more and more apparent that you have a hard-on because you are being fenced off from using his tax returns to castigate him as a rich person. That's it in a shell.


    [quote[ Republican or Democrat.. so no, not just something that the left demands, something that the public demands.[/quote]

    No one I know demands it. It's not even an issue on the LSM any more. It would seem that it is *you* that remain the only person who still demands his tax returns.

    For Trump specifically, it is 74% of the public who want to see his tax returns http://thehill.com/homenews/adminis...f-americans-want-trump-to-release-tax-returns[/quote]

    That poll was taken before Trump was even sworn into office. And you expect us to believe an ABC/Wash Post poll? They were showing Hillary as winning right up till election day!

    I am not saying transparency is unimportant. I am SAYING THAT TRUMP IS MORE TRANSPARENT THAN ANY PRESIDENT SINCE REAGAN!

    It is *you* that keeps saying that Trump speaking his mind to the people is not being transparent. Perhaps you should look in the mirror sometime.
     
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    Well first off, no government transparency isn't a matter of insulting people over twitter, government transparency is when the government is open and honest with its citizens about its functions and its policies. Government transparency is knowing who is paying your government representatives. Trump is a businessman, but that doesn't mean he is exempt from this standard, John Kerry, George Bush, and Mitt Romney were businessmen too, and they released their tax returns.. and the funny thing is you are doing exactly what you are accusing me of doing... you are making an exception out of Trump, where as I am simply saying he should meet the standard we ask from everyone else who holds or runs for that office

    Again you are making excuses for Trump's lack of transparency while simultaneously claiming he is more transparent than his predecessors, and your excuse for not meeting the public's demand is inadequate to say the least, you're claiming that reports showing 74% of the public want to see those tax returns are wrong? give me a break, you know that is a ridiculous claim, they would need to be off by at least 24% to be in the wrong. You're actually trying to argue now that the public doesn't want to see his tax returns? that's absurd, you're using your own opinion to represent what the public has demanded for over 40 years straight from its presidential candidates.

    and let me be perfectly clear that Obama was not a model image of a transparent administration, he called for fast tracking trade agreements before letting the public know the details, he took credit for things that he wasn't really responsible for, and it took him over a year to acknowledge that a 16 year old US citizen was mistakenly killed in a drone strike in Yemen, but never gave any explanation for why it happened.

    The US government is not as transparent as it should be, and under this current administration we are most certainly not moving in the direction of more transparency. I don't care if Trump calls people names on twitter, that doesn't represent government transparency
     
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    The fact that you only believe Trump insults people on twitter and nothing else totally exposes your agenda. Nothing more needs to be said!


    The FEC asset disclosure form will tell you what companies are Trump assets. That is your "who". You don't need the tax returns to know that. Again, all you want is ammunition to use in accusing him of being rich!

    1. The poll isn't current.
    2. The source isn't credible.
    3. It doesn't matter what a poll says.

    Trump doesn't have to provide his tax returns and if that chaps your butt, that is *YOUR* problem. If you want to know what companies Trump owns then go look at his FEC asset form! Knowing any more than that is just wanting ammunition for castigating him as being rich.

    The IRS and the Federal Money Laundering Task Force is scrutinizing all of Trumps financial transactions. If they can't catch him in anything then *you* aren't going to!

    But you keep saying Trump is *less* transparent than the other presidents. Maybe you want to qualify that?

    I know everything I need to know. I've looked at Trump's FEC form, it's on-line. Perhaps you just need to learn how to look better?
     
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    Well no I am not saying that is all he tweets, I am saying that the controversy of his tweets is NOT about being "too transparent" but rather the way he uses his account to insult people. I'll leave you with an example, here is one article listing what they believe to be his most controversial tweets. You'll notice a pattern.. and it has nothing to do with government transparency http://fortune.com/2016/03/21/donald-trump-controversial-tweets/

    I think the problem with your reply is you are labeling my criticism of our leaders as an agenda, and using that label to play off the specific things that I am criticizing. My issue with this mentality is it suggests we shouldn't be open about criticizing our presidents.. or that if we are open about it, it is merely an agenda, and therefor should never be considered as something that MAYBE our government should be improving on.

    Furthermore, you are completely wrong on the public's demand for presidential candidates releasing their tax returns.. if this wasn't something that the public wanted to see, then it would have never become a standard for all presidential candidates for over 40 years straight, and we certainly wouldn't see as many as 74% of people asked expressing that opinion.

    A full asset disclosure would be good too, but that's not what we're getting. We aren't getting that kind of transparency, we're only getting what he feels like sharing

    and for the record, disclosure of campaign finances is required by law, but if a candidate is using their own personal funds to pay for their campaign.. then it is especially worth knowing who is paying them.
     
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    So now we are going to move the goalposts? That the issue isn't transparency at all but, instead, about your hurt feelings?

    Everything you *need* to know is available. It is available on-line so you can see it. You don't need his tax returns. That means you have an *agenda*. You can deny it all you want but its a neon sign flashing brightly.

    Again, what the polls say doesn't matter! Would you jump off a bridge if everyone else is?

    His FEC form lists his assets. How many times do you have to be told that? Do you think he is hiding assets? What proof do you have of that besides your hatred of the man?

    Now we are back to moving the goalposts. Where Trump's money is can be found on the FEC form. You don't need his tax returns to determine that! This sounds like you think Trump is taking money under the table from someone. That's just more Trump Derangement Syndrome. Do you *really* think the Federal Task Force and the IRS couldn't figure that out? That only *you*, using Trump's tax return can figure it out?
     
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    So why do Trump and sons only go to the FOX safe space? Are they acting like snowflakes?
     

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