How does black and brown diversity benefit white run societies?

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  1. FreshAir

    FreshAir Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    the USA, we benefited.... now you could also argue it's not always true.... look at the Indians
     
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    Well, we need to be able to make money from prisons somehow. That is what's good about it.
     
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    Shiva_TD Progressive Libertarian Past Donor

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    Atrocities can be committed by virtually anyone for any reason but an atrocity is not the same as oppression nor does an atrocity not associated with the oppression of an entire people typically result generational consequences while oppression of a people does. For example a terrorist attack, while being a heinous atrocity, doesn't result in generational consequences.

    Every doctrine of Supremacy, regardless of the rationalization for it, is a doctrine of tyranny and oppression. That includes the Zionist doctrine of Jewish Supremacy in Israel but Zionism is not limited to Jews. There are more non-Jewish Zionists in the United States alone that the entire world Jewish population where arguably less that one-half of all Jews are Zionists. It also includes the doctrine of Muslim supremacy in most of the Middle East nation. In both cases the Non-Jew is oppressed by the Israeli Jews and the Non-Muslim is oppressed in the Muslim countries.

    But this is a small part of the world while White (WASP) Male Supremacy, and to a lesser degree White (Catholic) Male Supremacy, adversely effected people and cultures around the world and that did create negative generational consequences for these people.

    That said there is a problem with the usage of the word "Semite" which isn't a race but instead is linkage to a family currently present in West Asia, North and East Africa, and Malta so technically it has nothing to do with "race" at all. The usage of the term Semitic people is an obsolete term for cultures (not a race) that speak or spoke Semitic languages.
     
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    Shiva_TD Progressive Libertarian Past Donor

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    It is ironic because this thread is an attempt by White Supremacists/White Nationalists to rationalize White Supremacy/White Nationalism.

    And yet when we look back in American history we're a nation founded by White Anglo-Saxon Protestant Men but from a few of those men, those people we refer to as the "founders" of our nation, came the enumerated social and political ideology based upon the equality of all people that opposed all doctrines of supremacy.

    That ideology of society and government is expressed in these two simple lines from the Declaration of Independence:

    "We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men (people) are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator (nature) with certain (Natural) unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.--That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men (people), deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed."

    The basis for this enumerated social and political ideology was founded in the writings of John Locke and his Second Treatise of Civil Government that provided the compelling arguments against society based upon the supremacy of the White Anglo-Saxon Protestant Man/Men that controlled the social, economic, and political institutions under King George III of England that resulted in the American Revolution.

    Not all of those that supported the American Revolution were advocates for the ideology that was established for the revolution. Arguably most were a part of the White Anglo-Saxon Protestant Men that were "subordinates" of the King of England exercising the powers that John Locke and the ideological founders of America opposed. They joined in the American Revolution not to change society and government to fulfill the ideology upon which the United States was created but instead to oppose it after the American Revolution. For them the Revolution was about removing the King so that they could replace his authority with their own and to simply morph the doctrine of the "Divine Right of Kings" to the "Divine Doctrine of WASP Men" in America. They were driven by their greed and lust for power and not by the social/political ideology that provided justification for the American Revolution.

    They were the threat that John Byles, a British loyalist, warned the American people of when he asked, "Which is better - to be ruled by one tyrant three thousand miles away or by three thousand tyrants one mile away?"

    They were the three thousand tyrants (White Anglo-Saxon Protestant Male Supremacists) and they had the control of the social, economic, and political institutions in the new government of the United States. While giving lip-service to the ideology upon which the United States was founded they effectively prevented that ideology from ever being realized. Instead of a nation based upon the "natural Rights of the Person" as enumerated they were effective in continuing the tyranny of supremacy that exists under the doctrine of the Divine Right of Kings. As the "social, economic, and political conservatives" of America they've effectively resisted any fundamental change from the doctrine of tyranny that American Revolution was intended to overcome.

    Yes, they've lost some of the "battles" such as the abolition of slavery and they've also lost some of the religious control they once possesses. They came close to losing the battle providing civil rights for Non-WASP's and women in the 1960's but today they're managing to reverse some of those losses today.

    If we really dig deep and persist in our investigation we find that at the root of all of our social, economic, and political problems are because of the tyranny of White (WASP) Male Supremacy that's based upon the doctrine of the Divine Right of Kings as opposed to our nation moving significantly forward based upon the Natural Rights of the Person that was the ideology upon which America was founded.

    So at least for the United States we really can answer the question: How does black and brown diversity benefit white run societies?

    Black and brown diversity as well as religious and cultural diversity will provide the People of the United States with the power to over-throw the tyrannical oppression of the historic White (WASP) Male Supremacy in American that's based upon the doctrine of the Divine Right of Kings and replace that with a society and government based upon the Natural (unalienable) Rights of all People. Over-throwing White (WASP) Male Supremacy will bring to an end the poverty and conflict in our society.

    That will not benefit the White Male Supremacists of course but it will benefit the American People. Honestly, the White Supremacists can go **** (have sexual intercourse with) themselves. They've caused more than enough harm to America, with their personal greed fulfilled through theft and their possession of power to oppress non-WASP's and women, over the last 200 plus years to justify their own execution but we won't demand that punishment because it only exists under their ideology of tyranny and not under the ideological foundation for American that they've successfully opposed for so long,

    Racial, cultural, religious and ethnic diversity in the United States will provide the People of the United States of America with an opportunity to end the tyranny and oppression of White (WASP) Male Supremacy.
     
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    Nothing that you have said addresses any of the issues we've brought up--not one. The constitution and the founding fathers have virtually nothing to do with the topic at hand.

    I wish you would stop responding with these gigantic posts that in no way address the topic and only prevent passive observers from seeing the truth of our positions.

    Races are real, they are different, and this has consequences for society. One day, you will have to live with it. What are you going to do when Chinese geneticists prove that we've been right all along? How will it impact your belief system?
     
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    You don't have a clue what you are talking about. When people talk about diversity from a genetic perspective, they are not saying that subspecies should mix as much a possible, only that you probably shouldn't (*)(*)(*)(*) your cousins generation after generation. Your argument is beyond silly when you consider how many different people from different backgrounds live in modern societies--we aren't suffering from a lack of genetic diversity.

    :roflol:
     
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    what are you talking about

    were talking about mixing of genes from the same species, not subspecies
     
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    Mixing wouldn't increase genetic diversity anyways, it would lead to a median genetic diversity between the 2 groups who mix.
     
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    The U.S Founding Fathers were specific in the first immigration act that they created, in the Naturalization Act of 1790, that only Whites of good character were to become U.S citizens.
     
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    That has nothing to do with the question.

    I'm asking you what would be the probability of getting tails 14 times in 14 coin tosses.

    Do you have a college education?
     
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    rayznack Well-Known Member

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    Why do your posts always lack in substance?

    What is the basis for your claim that all problems are rooted in white male supremacy?

    Do you have any shred of evidence for the benefits for diversity?
     
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    rayznack Well-Known Member

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    What are you talking about?

    What evidence do you have that mulatto children experience hybrid vigor?

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    Diverse societies often enact laws to curb diverse thought in order to protect minorities the humiliation of frank questions asked about them.
     
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    what? when did I mention mulatto children, strawman fail.....

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    Oppression being protracted:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Race_and_crime_in_the_United_States#Homicide
    [.....]
    Homicide
    According to the US Department of Justice, blacks accounted for 52.5% of homicide offenders from 1980 to 2008, with whites 45.3% and "Other" 2.2%. The offending rate for Blacks was almost 8 times higher than whites (per 100,000), and the victim rate 6 times higher (per 100,000). Most murders were intraracial, with 84% of white homicide victims murdered by whites, and 93% of black victims murdered by blacks.[33][34][35]
    [.....]
    Robbery
    According to the National Crime Victimization Survey in 2002, the black arrest rate for robbery was 8.55 times Higher than whites, and blacks were 16 times more likely to be incarcerated for robbery than non-Hispanic whites.
    Robberies with White victims and Black offenders were more than 12 Times more common than the reverse.[38][39]​


    This itself is Racist garbage
    Zionism was the result of Oppression of European Jews (by "WASPS", Catholics) seeking a refuge, not "supremacism."


    More anti-semitic garbage.
    App 1/2 half of all Jews live IN Israel, and of course, in vast majority are Zionists. As are the rest of Jews.
    "Zionist," being people who want a homeland for the Jews in Israel. (regardless of differing border opinions)


    Unsubstantiated Garbage. The West, in general, tremendously aids the Third World who would otherwise have been wiped out bye , ie, famines, AIDS, Ebola, etc.

    cont'd
     
  15. rayznack

    rayznack Well-Known Member

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    You mentioned genetic diversity and can't see how that relates to biracial children?
     
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    This is the first i have heard of coin tosses.
     
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    The Delaration was written by WASPS mainly for WASPS.
    Many owned Slaves and considered blacks a lesser specie. Thus they could all agree on those words.
    And, In any case "created Equal" is a Legal designation, not a statement of capability or intellect.

    And does Not go to the OP question.

    Aside from your Comical Revolutionary anarchism and warped hate, you have NOT shown any benefit, only allege they (black/brown) "Will provide" some. IOW, they have NOT in any way you can Presently elucidate.
    Oh, But I should mention that ASIAN immigrants, HAVE contributed to our society, Despite our Discrimination of them.
    Many Asians arriving as indentured Railway Labor just as blacks were being freed from slavery. Japanese Interned as late as WWII and their country leveled. YET!
    So it's NOT about "White Supremacism" per se. It's about the relative attributes of the human subspecies/races.

    As it turns out, the Horror that was Slavery was somewhat like 'Original Sin'.
    Whites did it, and they will be paying for it Forever, as the people they brought have been, are, and will have to be subsidized by society for the foreseeable future.
    No amount of remediation has, or will change Genes.

    BTW, is unenslaved, Resource-Rich, Black Africa better off or worse off than Oppressed American Blacks?
    Much worse.
    Why is that?
    Hint: IQ: Caucasian 100, sub-Saharan Black 70, admixture/hybrid 'race' American Black 85. IQ is 75% Inherited.
    Asians 106 BTW.
    Thus (reality check) they way the country, and planet actually are.
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    no, if you read what I wrote, I said most of the time genetic diversity is a plus.. that doesn't mean sometimes it's a minus
     
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    I am unaware of any U.S. law restricting thoughts. I would discourage instituting thought police, as exist is some other nations.



     
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    The OP's question is further complicated by the fact that SJW "progressives" will try to deny any benefits that whites COULD obtain through multiculturalism by calling it "cultural appropriation". They basically say, "we should live in a melting pot society, but the host (who brought the pot) should be the only one who doesn't get to partake of the contents"
     
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    That's because I now have to use an analogy for you to understand the concept of what I'm actually asking.

    Do you understand what probability is?
     
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    OK...so do you have any evidence biracial black- and brown-white biracials having hybrid vigor?

    I mean, the topic *is* about black and brown diversity.

    You also haven't shown that most genetic diversity is a plus.
     
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    You're seeing it on college campuses. The beacon of learning in the world is becoming less diverse in thought largely the result of diversity.
     

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